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Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by flukus » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:32 AM UTC

egdod wrote: post #4

_iyig wrote: post #3

I'm surprised they don't mention the Dune prequel titled "The Butlerian Jihad," written by Frank Herbert's son according to the former's notes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butlerian_Jihad

A lot of people (myself included) try to forget the Brian Herbert books ever existed.

The prelude books are OK and the sequels at least gave us some closure.

The butlerian jihad trilogy was awful though, it was there to give some necessary background information for the end of the series but when you've got characters with ancestral memories and characters that can see through time that probably could have been done in a much better way.

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by jokowueu » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:33 AM UTC

huomri wrote: post #6

I wonder if the upcoming Dune movie will include the scene where the Fremen commit a wahhabi esque suicide attack.

How different is it from a Shia esque suicide attack ?

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by liability » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:38 AM UTC

jokowueu wrote: post #12

huomri wrote: post #6

I wonder if the upcoming Dune movie will include the scene where the Fremen commit a wahhabi esque suicide attack.

How different is it from a Shia esque suicide attack ?

Higher production value.

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by blondin » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:39 AM UTC

"dune -- the battle for arrakis" what a trip down the memory lane! it had one of the best game soundtracks ever made. command and conquer, starcraft and warcraft all came a few years later and copied everything they did right. but dune was way too iconic.

okay... perhaps command and conquer came close enough. i still remember siding with the global defense initiative because the name sounded way too cool.

someone ought to put these real-time strategy gems in a classic package!

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by selimthegrim » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:40 AM UTC

jrjdjdhhedh wrote: post #7

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The Tleilaxu are the Fremen now?

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by tasogare » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:43 AM UTC

blondin wrote: post #14

"dune -- the battle for arrakis" what a trip down the memory lane! it had one of the best game soundtracks ever made. command and conquer, starcraft and warcraft all came a few years later and copied everything they did right. but dune was way too iconic. okay... perhaps command and conquer came close enough. i still remember siding with the global defense initiative because the name sounded way too cool. someone oug…

Dune II was developed by Westwood Studios before C&C. Also, they made a remake of the game with C&C engine, Dune 2000. I really like it because of the different kind of grounds and the sandworms that both add tactical depths in comparison to C&C and RA.

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by sn41 » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:49 AM UTC

Not only are there Islamic themes, there are also Jewish themes. The name "Kwisatz Haderach" is based on Hebrew. (This is mentioned in the list.)

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by s_Hogg » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 4:59 AM UTC

_iyig wrote: post #3

I'm surprised they don't mention the Dune prequel titled "The Butlerian Jihad," written by Frank Herbert's son according to the former's notes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butlerian_Jihad

I'm not. Kevin J Anderson is basically the sci-fi equivalent of a grave robber, in my view.

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by eccbits » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 5:07 AM UTC

“This article is not meant to be a literary nor an exhaustive topical critique of the novels, which I am cannot fully do, because simply, I did not read the original novels. ”

Why is this highly rated on HN then?!

Re: Arabic and Islamic Themes in Frank Herbert's “Dune” (2004-2017)

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Post by jammygit » Mon, Sep 02, 2019, 5:22 AM UTC

eccbits wrote: post #19

“This article is not meant to be a literary nor an exhaustive topical critique of the novels, which I am cannot fully do, because simply, I did not read the original novels. ” Why is this highly rated on HN then?!

Text analysis based on second hand accounts and reputation? You would get kicked out of mentat school for that sort of silliness