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SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by icebraining »

jszymborski wrote: post #9
elcomet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In non English-native countries, people don't know this word. So it just sounds like "scuttle butt" and I don't want to recommend something with "butt" in the name to people.. which is a shame because it looks like a nice project.

This strikes me as odd. The last time I was in an environment where the word butt was considered rude was the third grade.

Do you live in an English environment? I think words like butt can sound worse for those of us who don't, since we don't use it colloquially (we use the native equivalent), only in more "forceful" cases. Frankly the first that comes to my mind hearing that word is "what what".

Still, I like the name and would be sad if they changed it!

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by olah_1 »

Manyverse still has the direct friend-to-friend invites, right? I'm pretty sure Patchwork still doesn't have this :/

If I could connect to the friends I know in person first, that would be great.

I think social networks gain momentum by being useful to real friendships and then the discovery aspect kicks in later. If it's all about finding random internet friends, it's going to set the tone for the whole life of the network.

All of the long-time users will be cemented in their random internet relationships and will be hesitant to then mix their real life relationships into that later on. It's just normal that these different social circles organize and it's normal that people don't typically mix them.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by olah_1 »

marknadal wrote: post #7

Apologies, @staltz could you expand more? Is this centralized? Or federated, along the lines of Mastodon? Why not do this decentralized? Should be possible. NAB (p2p Reddit) does something similar with GUN via "spaces" that are under a public key, but requires no centralized host/server/etc. should be trivial to do the same in SSB.

Seems like it's federated and if you really connect with someone you meet, you can probably choose to become "friends" and store each others' directly, bypassing that federated/centralized server.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by olah_1 »

icebraining wrote: post #11
jszymborski wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This strikes me as odd. The last time I was in an environment where the word butt was considered rude was the third grade.

Do you live in an English environment? I think words like butt can sound worse for those of us who don't, since we don't use it colloquially (we use the native equivalent), only in more "forceful" cases. Frankly the first that comes to my mind hearing that word is "what what". Still, I like the name and would be sad if they changed it!

English also has the word "but" with only one t. So actual English speakers aren't automatically triggered when they hear the sound of "b-u-t" together.

"Scuttlebutt" sounds like a hokey old timey word and it has only one definition.

As an English speaker, it's also miles better than "toot"(Mastodon) which has multiple definitions and the most common is "to fart".

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by catnzhat »

elcomet wrote: post #2

Please change the name of this project. It sounds very bad..

The only reason I can think of to justify a name change is that both SSB and scuttlebutt are terms used in sailing. Initially I thought it was a single side band radio based chat room system for sailors.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by JshWright »

catnzhat wrote: post #15
elcomet wrote: post #2

Please change the name of this project. It sounds very bad..

The only reason I can think of to justify a name change is that both SSB and scuttlebutt are terms used in sailing. Initially I thought it was a single side band radio based chat room system for sailors.

Yeah, ham radio op here, and I assumed "single side band" at first as well.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by jszymborski »

icebraining wrote: post #11
jszymborski wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This strikes me as odd. The last time I was in an environment where the word butt was considered rude was the third grade.

Do you live in an English environment? I think words like butt can sound worse for those of us who don't, since we don't use it colloquially (we use the native equivalent), only in more "forceful" cases. Frankly the first that comes to my mind hearing that word is "what what". Still, I like the name and would be sad if they changed it!

I live in a weird mix of English and French (Montreal) :)

It's just surprising to me since butt always was less formal than "posterior" and less rude than what we'd more frankly call an "ass".

I definitely want to acknowledge that I know not all environments are similar to mine :)

I'm just surprised to hear there are contexts where someone might find the phrase "I've fallen on my butt" to be more rude than if any other body part was mentioned. I would have assumed the problem is less the word choice and the fact that people are being rather prude about bodies and their function, much like grade schoolers are like to be.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by chrisseaton »

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #5
elcomet wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In non English-native countries, people don't know this word. So it just sounds like "scuttle butt" and I don't want to recommend something with "butt" in the name to people.. which is a shame because it looks like a nice project.

Considering that it made you do a double-take, and convinced me to click on it, I think it's a perfect name for a project. In a similar vein, there's a CPU architecture called "brainfuck", oft-stylized as "brainf ck". It's a lot* more memorable than something like MAOIIA or something.

I think that's a programming language, not a CPU architecture.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by shirro »

RunningDroid wrote: post #3
elcomet wrote: post #2

Please change the name of this project. It sounds very bad..

If you're talking about the name "scuttlebutt" then where I'm from (Upstate New York, USA) it's basically a synonym for chatter or gossip.

I think it is everywhere in the english language world. It might not be in common usage but most adults would know the meaning.

Butt is such an innocuous word for arse it is used by preschoolers and cartoons. It isn't offensive to anyone and clearly it no more means arse in this term than it does when referring to the end of a cigarette or gun or hitting someone with your head.

I once had a client see a server monitoring package refer to daemons and I thought I was going to be the victim of a satanic panic but I quickly pointed out how the spelling differed from the usual biblical version and that a bunch of hippies in california in the 60s were into mythology and the name stuck. People are weird.

Re: SSB Rooms: a new server type for Scuttlebutt

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Post by nine_k »

olah_1 wrote: post #12

Manyverse still has the direct friend-to-friend invites, right? I'm pretty sure Patchwork still doesn't have this :/ If I could connect to the friends I know in person first, that would be great. I think social networks gain momentum by being useful to real friendships and then the discovery aspect kicks in later. If it's all about finding random internet friends, it's going to set the tone for the whole life of the…

To me, it's the other way around. Most of my real friendships were initiated by contacts on social networks. This is the only way I could have met a number of wonderful people who live far away from my city.

And transparency, (tunable) FOAF features is exactly what made it possible rather quickly. If anybody here remembers FriendFeed, they had this mechanics well-polished. (They also invented the Like button.)

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