DMCA, ain't it fun?
YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition
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Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition
#12If anyone is wondering, Schubert and Liszt didn't collaborate IRL on these. Schubert wrote the pieces, died, and then Liszt transcribed them for solo piano after they had posthumously been found in Schubert's belongings.
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#13Rousseau is actually active on HN, curious to see what he says about it here. What a ridiculous DRM implementation by YT. I understand that with such a large volume of data, it's a difficult challenge. But it should not be difficult for an algorithm to figure out that Schubert or Liszt are in the public domain.
I have a feeling that if Google thought they could get away with making it less sensitive, they would have done it.
They surely can't be happy about censoring legitimate content on their platform by mistake.
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#14DMCA, ain't it fun?
DMCA as intended would be better here. The person who thinks they found something infringing should have to proactively send a takedown, which should trigger a process that can be appealed. What Google has created is a proactive automated takedown system with minimal recourse.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are but the recording is not: it's copyright belongs to the performer. Unfortunately YouTube can't figure out the subtle differences between performances that identify them.
The headline is slightly inflammatory in its reference to the "200 year old composition." Exactly to parent's point: a contemporary recording would be neither 200 years old not in the public domain.
I'm not sure I agree with inflammatory. It seems that the common attribute between the two materials is that it is based on the same 200 year old composition and not much else. Like if IT takes your keyboard and gives it to someone else because they are the same keyboard. Completely missing subtle differences like the serial number or the fact that on one the space is worn out and on the other the tab key.
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#17The big problem with classical music is that the compositions are all in public domain, however most performances are not. Given the subtle differences between performances, algorithms are not smart enough to figure out the difference. In fact, even humans would have a hard time to distinguish between two performances of certain classical pieces.
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#18https://twitter.com/hyperionrecords/status/11623845149849477... From @hyperionrecords regarding a recent unrelated incident. Hyperion's content is the one making the claim against Rousseau's video. They seem aware that ContentID often misidentifies claims, but there doesn't seem to be a public statement on what they proactively can or will do to help fix it.
The usual canard is:
Google is a private Corp and can do whatever the hell they want.
The real problem is that tech companies are monopolies and oligopolies and they hide behind "The people can just leave if they want".
The end result is that monopolies beget and work with other monopolies to strengthen each other. So we see YouTube working with RIAA and MPAA on non-DMCA underhandedness and what is clearly fair use (car driving by with 2s of a tune).
Re: YouTube blocks recording of public domain Schubert/Liszt composition
#19https://twitter.com/hyperionrecords/status/11623845149849477... From @hyperionrecords regarding a recent unrelated incident. Hyperion's content is the one making the claim against Rousseau's video. They seem aware that ContentID often misidentifies claims, but there doesn't seem to be a public statement on what they proactively can or will do to help fix it.
The usual canard is: Google is a private Corp and can do whatever the hell they want. The real problem is that tech companies are monopolies and oligopolies and they hide behind "The people can just leave if they want". The end result is that monopolies beget and work with other monopolies to strengthen each other. So we see YouTube working with RIAA and MPAA on non-DMCA underhandedness and what is clearly fair use (…
I think the real problem is no one (or not enough people) want to pay for a service that hosts user uploaded video, filters each and every one accurately for illegal/copyrighted content, and then is able to serve it worldwide 24/7 instantaneously.
That’s the reason I think no alternative service has sprouted up.
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#20YouTube seems to be taking the brunt of the criticism when it's the repercussions of copyright infringement lawsuits that are the problem.
I'm sure YouTube would love to be more lenient. If they could say "anything goes" they'd be thrilled, but we know they cannot because of the LAWS that are protecting IP owners.
IP should be protected, but to what extent?
And the bigger problem is the amount, and rate, of which content being produced threatens everyone's ability to do anything!
Try naming a business. NOTHING is available. If you want to run a competing business in a saturated market, the naming options are almost non-existent, especially if you want to name your company something that embodies what your business does.
Music is having this problem too. When you can take a few stanzas and say you OWN that music, could someone not just use a computer to generate every possible sequence of notes, slap a copyright on it, and own all future music?
Photography, video, games, puzzles, speeches, books..... it's all about to hit a brick wall if we can't be more lenient with IP.
In my opinion, complete works should be awarded a copyright, but sub-sections of works should not.
And software patents..... dear god.