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The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued
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#12Instead of every of them recommending a woman for one of the time slots at the conference or any non-white-male they just throw a fit like spoiled kids and say they are not going until someone else fixes the issue at hand for them, this kind of behavior is one of the things that deepens the gap between people in favor of diversity everywhere not by increasing diversity but alienating people that think different and c…
It's not weird to hold the conference organizers accountable for organizing a conference badly.
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#13I'm reading through the Twitter thread, but I can't decipher the exact issue(s).
Did the organizers select a lower ratio of diverse speakers than applicants? Were there very few diverse applicants and the organizers decided none of them qualified?
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#14As a woman I find it pretty damn objectifying for someone to withdraw from a conference because it has no female speakers. Why should anyone care about anything other than php in a php conference?
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#15The reason given was that only one woman submitted a proposal from over 250 submissions. Lots of discussion on twitter about how talks were chosen. Not many brought up the fact that the submissions process itself was apparently broken.
How “broken”?
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#16I sometimes think they value signalling over actually constructively working to fix things.
I’m moderate and think that anyone who wants to should program for a living should but stuff like this hurts my head enough I don’t engage with them on Twitter as it results in a mud slinging match that nothing improves from.
It’s frankly tiring seeing the same crap repeated ad nauseum.
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#17From the Twitter thread:
> “Everyone has the same chances” is the exact problem. What are you doing to elevate women and POC? How are you showing your support as an ally and actively encouraging access to these “equal chances”?!
These people have gone off the deep end. If you aren't actively following their political playbook you're to be shouted down. You can't even just opt out of participation in their crusade, if you're not elevating their chosen classes you're as good as the Klan.
This is a tech event, not a political rally.
Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued
#18Instead of every of them recommending a woman for one of the time slots at the conference or any non-white-male they just throw a fit like spoiled kids and say they are not going until someone else fixes the issue at hand for them, this kind of behavior is one of the things that deepens the gap between people in favor of diversity everywhere not by increasing diversity but alienating people that think different and c…
You sound really frustrated with this outcome.
What would you propose those speakers do differently?
A follow up question: why do you say that would be more effective than what they did?
(And, I would ask you, is that something that still maintains their commitment to diversity, since they all mentioned that was more important than speaking opportunities?)
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#19I'm reading through the Twitter thread, but I can't decipher the exact issue(s). Did the organizers select a lower ratio of diverse speakers than applicants? Were there very few diverse applicants and the organizers decided none of them qualified?
Twitter is never a great forum to discuss issues that need context. The two blog posts lay things out more clearly.
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#20> we always struggled to get women from outside of Drupal to submit to that track, despite Drupal itself having a relatively large female population. We actively reached out to women both in the PHP community and local to the event and still sometimes had no submissions from women
^^ From the second link, blog post about a guy dropping out.
I'm so lost. So this guy drops out because the organizers won't go to great lengths to find women, and then admits that in his own experience it is sometimes completely impossible to find women speakers.
I think we're missing the forest for the trees here.