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Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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How is it considered appropriate to name this project Trotsky? Would they name a project Goebbels or Himmler?

This is hilarious and previous HN commenters are in sore need of political reeducation to free them from the bourgeois counter-revolutionary ideology clouding their senses of humor.

What? There must be some context I'm missing. What this on HN before, and you're responding to people in the last thread?

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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How is it considered appropriate to name this project Trotsky? Would they name a project Goebbels or Himmler?

Are you seriously equating a Russian revolutionary and the German Third Reich?

Don't know about him, but I would, Trotsky is one of those people who are responsible for creation of concentration camps in soviet russia on scaling it(among other horrible things). The only reason you don't think about him the same way you think about Stalin or Hitler is because he lost internal competition to Stalin an flew the country.

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you seriously equating a Russian revolutionary and the German Third Reich?

He was of the same caliber of mass murder. He was one of the main architects of the red terror that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives. The whitewashing of Trotsky and of Lenin does nobody any favors. They were mass murdereres not whitstanding whatever utopia they were dreaming off.

To be fair, I don't think they believed in anything they were selling to the masses. They just used it to get enough power to establish themselves as stable as absolute monarchs(the end of the great terror was the moment when elites realized that they actually already that) Which is exactly why no one should have as much power. The only question how to make it impossible?

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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> In this paper, we try to reconcile these two perspectives by proposing a backwards-compatible architectural framework called Trotsky in which one can incrementally deploy radically new designs. We show how this can lead to a permanent revolution in Internet architecture by (i) easing the deployment of new architectures and (ii) allowing multiple coexisting architectures to be used simultaneously by applications

In Trotskyist theory, permanent revolution has a specific meaning. There are two main components:

1. A socialist, proletarian revolution has to occur in a pre-capitalist society (such as Czarist Russia), bypassing the step of a bourgeois, capitalist revolution (such as the French Revolution), which Orthodox Marxism expected to be necessary in such countries.

2. The revolution has to be global, in contrast with eg. Stalin's theory of Socialism in One Country.

Seeing as permanent revolution is 1. not incremental and 2. does not allow for co-existence with capitalism, it seems sort of strange to name this approach after it.

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was of the same caliber of mass murder. He was one of the main architects of the red terror that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives. The whitewashing of Trotsky and of Lenin does nobody any favors. They were mass murdereres not whitstanding whatever utopia they were dreaming off.

To be fair, I don't think they believed in anything they were selling to the masses. They just used it to get enough power to establish themselves as stable as absolute monarchs(the end of the great terror was the moment when elites realized that they actually already that) Which is exactly why no one should have as much power. The only question how to make it impossible?

Do you have any evidence for this? If Trotsky didn't believe in Marxism, why did he spend most of his time in exile writing Marxist theory?

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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post #7

As far as I'm concerned this paper more or less describes HTTP(S) fairly well. The "3.5" address is the domain name that resolves to a meaningful IP address for the L3 domain you are in. Folks are already using disjoint L3 address spaces with elements like load balancers providing the bridge between the public IP space and their own private IP space. I don't know if you could ever sell me on having more than one "mai…

> As far as I'm concerned this paper more or less describes HTTP(S) fairly well.

Sure, but only if you ignore the specifics and over generalize. As overlaying is fundamental to all client server communications.

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

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How is it considered appropriate to name this project Trotsky? Would they name a project Goebbels or Himmler?

Are you seriously equating a Russian revolutionary and the German Third Reich?

Please do not take HN threads further into political or ideological flamewar. This leads nowhere interesting. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8214343

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Enabling a permanent revolution in internet architecture

#20

How is it considered appropriate to name this project Trotsky? Would they name a project Goebbels or Himmler?

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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