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Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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> 1 hour ago > 0 comments on HN I wonder what would happen if this was a paul graham shitpost. :) Also so sad to see this happening, we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature.

I think nobody is commenting because it makes them feel helpless... It's sad, but what can one man do about it? I mean, I wish I could, but...

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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> 1 hour ago > 0 comments on HN I wonder what would happen if this was a paul graham shitpost. :) Also so sad to see this happening, we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature.

>we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature. Eh, no. The part of the Amazon that is in Brazil belongs to Brazil.

And yet the 20% of the earth's oxygen provided, and the additional CO2 the Amazon absorbs is kind of a big deal for the rest of us.

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> 1 hour ago > 0 comments on HN I wonder what would happen if this was a paul graham shitpost. :) Also so sad to see this happening, we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature.

What do you propose? UN action to invade Brazil? Germany and Norway have already frozen aid they pay to Brazil

Something has to be done; this president will be remembered for doing a lot of damage. He'll be dead (and at least he made the history books with something...) so he won't care, but the generations after will suffer.

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> 1 hour ago > 0 comments on HN I wonder what would happen if this was a paul graham shitpost. :) Also so sad to see this happening, we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature.

>we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature. Eh, no. The part of the Amazon that is in Brazil belongs to Brazil.

Yes, but if climate change is part of the cause of the fires we are all responsible by contributing greenhouse gases.

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>we are all responsible, it's not Brazil's responsibility, it's World's responsibility to take care of nature. Eh, no. The part of the Amazon that is in Brazil belongs to Brazil.

This is how it has been functioning til now. Of course. But one should have 1% critical/analytical brain to understand that this is not how it should be going. If you don't consider yourself subject subject to change you are doomed to disappear.

I think that the problem here is not agreeing on whether this is awful. It's already pretty clear that it is.

However, other countries cannot intervene. Brazilian borders are Brazilian, any other country that wants to help needs to be authorised by Brazilian authorities.

The real problem here is that Brazil's leaders are awful and there's nothing that can be done in regards to that. It's only possible to protest and fight against them in a legal manner.

Romanticizing revolution is ineffective. It's not only extremely hard but also infeasible to destroy all power structures already in place.

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Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land.

I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.

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Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land. I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.

AFAICT this is not a matter of small farmers clearing a bit of land in order to survive. It's a matter of huge cattle producers and industrial soy farms burning clear vast swathes of the Amazon jungle, for profit.

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What do you propose? UN action to invade Brazil? Germany and Norway have already frozen aid they pay to Brazil

You know how US gathers forces to go fight in iraq etc? Imagine if they did the same thing to help nature. I am not even talking about sending their people, just the mobilisation of politics to act on important subjects. Til we forget the "my lawn, your shit" way of thinking shit will be going south

This is not how it works.

This situation is entirely different. You are missing a lot of the nuance here. Brazil is a huge country which supplies many countries with countless commodities and other products. External military intervention would only make the situation worse.

This is not how international politics work.

I'm definitely not in favour of what has happened in Iraq, but brute-forcing every problem with external intervention makes absolutely no sense.

In this case, it's reasonably clear that this situation is awful, but if we start turning everything into B/W and ignoring the value of dialogue soon we'll run into other more nuanced disagreements being solved through violence.

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Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land. I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.

I can be proven wrong, but I don't think it's poor farmers who are responsible for the deforestation of the Amazon. It's mostly big latifund owners with lots of lobbying power.

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Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late.

More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this.

How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to get elected as president of a democratic country, and get away with some of the things he says?

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