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Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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As an Australian all I want to say is... just use the .com address. Call the company 'groupon.com' Advertise the .com. It will work!

You can even have groupon.com/australia/...

For example, when you go to www.apple.com.au it redirects you to www.apple.com/au and no one thinks anything of it.

So this is either silly, or it is about more than the domain name, and more about the trademark in use locally.

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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post #3

As an Australian all I want to say is... just use the .com address. Call the company 'groupon.com' Advertise the .com. It will work!

Australians are pretty apt to type .com.au - it'd be a risky trading environment when that address belonged to one of your competitors and seemed legitimate.

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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Note to self: If I ever start a company that secures significant VC funding, immediately buy domains related to my company in all major markets and begin securing trademarks as well.

It's not always as simple as registering a domain name on GoDaddy or a local registrar though. To register a .com.au domain name, you're required to have an Australian Business Number (i.e. incorporate locally). It's easy to get one, but how many other international domain names do you want to register that require extra work?

I don't know about Australian registrars but I found a Japanese registrar that allows you to register a .jp domain (and other Japanese TLDs) without having a local business address/number there which would normally be required. I'm willing to bet other ones like this exist for other markets.

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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Note to self: If I ever start a company that secures significant VC funding, immediately buy domains related to my company in all major markets and begin securing trademarks as well.

It's not always as simple as registering a domain name on GoDaddy or a local registrar though. To register a .com.au domain name, you're required to have an Australian Business Number (i.e. incorporate locally). It's easy to get one, but how many other international domain names do you want to register that require extra work?

General information: for someone who lives locally, it takes around 1.5 to 2 hours to register an ABN. (I did it.)

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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post #4

I wonder why they think a local domain is necessary for their business (and is it really). For example, Facebook doesn't use local domains - it uses .com for everything.

It's probably more about the trademark than the domain. The other company applied for the Groupon trademark as well, so trading under that name until the trademark dispute is settled could be quite problematic and using a different name wouldn't be able to leverage the Groupon brand.

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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post #3

As an Australian all I want to say is... just use the .com address. Call the company 'groupon.com' Advertise the .com. It will work!

You can even have groupon.com/australia/... For example, when you go to www.apple.com.au it redirects you to www.apple.com/au and no one thinks anything of it. So this is either silly, or it is about more than the domain name, and more about the trademark in use locally.

Are you allowed to do this if you don't own the trademark on groupon in australia? I don't know!

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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Pretty sad. I have enjoyed using Scoopon for the past few months and I'm disappointed by their behavior here. Though I'm not justifying their behavior with this statement, it's understandable that 300k isn't biting. I have no doubt that they'll be much happier with you out as long as possible.

Another competitor, and one I've been even more impressed by, is ourdeal.com.au. You've definitely got some competition here. Good luck!

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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Note to self: If I ever start a company that secures significant VC funding, immediately buy domains related to my company in all major markets and begin securing trademarks as well.

It's not always as simple as registering a domain name on GoDaddy or a local registrar though. To register a .com.au domain name, you're required to have an Australian Business Number (i.e. incorporate locally). It's easy to get one, but how many other international domain names do you want to register that require extra work?

If you raise VC and you feel owning international TLDs is important, you get a good law firm to do the ones that you can't register yourself online. They will then contract out to local scriveners etc to do the local trademark/domain registration.

Honestly, if you've just raised millions in VC it is a giant waste of your time to navigate the ins and outs of regional corporate law. Pay a law firm, and get back to building your product.

Re: Why Groupon is not in Australia (domain squatter)

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post #10

Domain squatters may not be OK, but identical business models are just another legitimate challenge (business models can't be patented). They need boots on the ground and it may not be possible for Groupon to physically get there before the competition. Either way, it's good for the end user, who will go from zero to several choices practically over night. It also prevents Groupon from becoming a monopoly.

There are multiple Groupon "clones" on the ground in Australia, a few doing some fairly big numbers. Groupon have acquired one of the biggest (if my sources are correct) in JumpOnIt.com.au.

Scoopons behaviour is pretty low IMHO. Registering not only the domain name groupon.com.au but also the company name and the trademark?

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