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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in for a brutal ride especially. And no one will listen, as they are not Upper caste Hindus.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by saagarjha »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #6
saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Majority support annexing of the region

Note that I'm talking about shutting down the internet in general, not this specific issue. I've heard that India has done this in the past for other things as well.

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Post by kobiguru »

statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto.

The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is going to forgo one of THE demands of the party founders.

The other thing that is ignored is that for seventy years Kashmir has gotten the biggest share of the central government's outlays for states and they have nothing to show for. Doing the same thing expecting a different result is bad in any environment.

I am not sure if this will work or not but what I am sure is that the previous status quo did not work. Moreover, how long would the entire state's ambition be held hostage because of an intolerant minority in four districts in the Kashmir valley?

Edit:

"Intorelent Minority" comes from Taleb's essay/book on the skin in the game

here is the link here is what I meant by Intorelant minority. I am sorry if It came as bigoted but I would call any small group of people this

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by sremani »

NYT forgot something, let me add new information - Kashmir Valley is one the few places in post-partition India where successful ETHNIC CLEANSING of local minorities (Hindus) took place.

You reap what you sow. You kicked out real Kashmiris for the sin of being Hindus. Look at their slogan...

Azadi ka matlab kya ? La ila illila.. So, if your not muslim you have no place in Kashmir or its Nationalist movement.

No wonder, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhist are unequivocal about their support of Indian action.

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Post by owaislone »

kobiguru wrote: post #13
statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

Here come the apologists. How can such a step be justified when the 12 million people did not vote for the said election manifesto? It's like saying UK is justified in annexing all of Ireland because people in England voted for it.

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Post by eschulz »

pipingdog wrote: post #4

> Jammu and Kashmir, an area of 12.5 million people that is claimed by both India and Pakistan It would seem that India has the more practically demonstrable claim.

Would your opinion lead you to believe that India should act quickly and remedy the unacceptable state of affairs in which the residents find themselves?

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Post by tlb »

adpirz wrote: post #10

Am Kashmiri. Was born there. Have family there. My parents were born and raised there. This is scary even for a region marked by persistent curfews, border clashes between two nuclear powers, and an ongoing series of conflicts between insurgents and the Indian Army. We have extended family from whom we haven’t heard any news since this went into effect. It’s all just anxious waiting. What could possibly be the endgam…

What's the status of other forms of communication, like postal mail or shortwave radio?

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Post by owaislone »

kobiguru wrote: post #13
statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. The change is not like demonetisation rather a well thought and long-held demand of the present government. It has been there in the election manifesto since they started publishing election manifesto. The new york times is entitled to its view on how India's elected government ought to run the country but that does not mean the government is goi…

> I am not sure if this will work or not but what I am sure is that the previous status quo did not work. Moreover, how long would the entire state's ambition be held hostage because of an intolerant minority in four districts in the Kashmir valley?

As long as a peaceful referendum is not held that lets the people of the region decide their own future?

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Post by reaperducer »

40acres wrote: post #7

At what point is a region so distinct from the state in which it resides that the best course of action would be secession? When I read the news I see conflicts in integration every where: Hong Kong, Kashmir, Kurdish Syria / Turkey. My general feeling is that due to a number of factors (imperialism, war, etc.) that our current global map just doesn't reflect the reality of international relations, unfortunately borde…

I think the reality is that while politicians draw borders, and governments like them not to move, people move, ideals change, cultures spread and any region eventually doesn't match its lines on a map.

Sometimes it's messy (Yugoslav Wars), sometimes it's more civil (Virginia/West Virginia). But change happens. It's how we react and manage that change that helps define us as a people.

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Post by ajross »

40acres wrote: post #7

At what point is a region so distinct from the state in which it resides that the best course of action would be secession? When I read the news I see conflicts in integration every where: Hong Kong, Kashmir, Kurdish Syria / Turkey. My general feeling is that due to a number of factors (imperialism, war, etc.) that our current global map just doesn't reflect the reality of international relations, unfortunately borde…

Balkanization has been tried, you know. Thousands of times. That doesn't work so well either. It sounds glib and naive, but at the end of the day the path to peace is just for people to stop fighting, forgive past sins and learn to live with each other.

And generally that happens only after they get wealthy. Which makes shutting down core civil infrastructure deeply counterproductive.

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