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Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by Mvhsz »

vipa123 wrote: post #3
ThreeFx wrote: post #2

Am I reading this correctly as Kuberetes-powered fighter jets? That's certainly not going to shoot anyone in the foot...

I agree that Kubernetes-powered fighter jets is a bad idea, bordering on catastrophically bad. That said, I assume they'll be using Kubernetes as a development and test platform -on the ground- to produce some form of binary output that would go on the plane.

> ...today announced that Lockheed Martin worked with Red Hat to modernize the application development process used to bring new capabilities to the U.S. Air Force’s fleet of F-22 Raptor fighter jets.

They later talk about agile vs waterfall as well as devops. It doesn't read like this is going on a plane, probably just dev and test environments.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by checktheorder »

ohaideredevs wrote: post #7

"The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor is one of the world’s premier fighter jets, thanks to its unique combination of stealth, speed, agility, and situational awareness." A huge understatement. It's the only true 5th gen that's tailored for performance, rather than cost savings (ala the F-35). The others are completely unproven (Chinese) or both unproven and in extremely limited quantities, while not providing true stealt…

>cost savings (ala the F-35)

What.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by walrus01 »

m_b wrote: post #10

Not proud that open source I contribute to help USA kills people, it really sucks.

I don't think you can realistically expect anybody in the world, of any political ideology, to not use something that is GPL/BSD/LGPL/Apache/whatever licensed, if you've published the source code to the Internet.

I would be entirely unsurprised to find north korean telecoms/state government agencies using centos or debian. In fact if you google "north korea linux" you'll find that they already created their own weird custom GUI desktop distribution.

In the bigger picture, far more people use your code, whatever it is, to do useful and good things in random places in the world than people using it for purposes you find objectionable.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by cameldrv »

I'm a little bit surprised to see this.

One thing I've observed working on many different types of software projects is that there exists a continuum between waterfall and agile/scrum, and one way of thinking of it is what the length of the sprint is. Waterfall is a single sprint the length of the product, spiral development is several sprints over the length of the product, and agile/scrum is sprints of a couple of weeks to a month.

The length of the sprint is simply the length of the planning cycle. What I've observed is that systems with certain characteristics, such as safety critical systems or systems that involve hardware that doesn't yet exist or is expensive or time consuming to test typically don't work with an agile/scrum planning cycle. If you want to deliver them in a reasonable time, complex and parallel requirements mean that you must plan things far in advance so that everyone is ready at the same time.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by ohaideredevs »

checktheorder wrote: post #13
ohaideredevs wrote: post #7

"The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor is one of the world’s premier fighter jets, thanks to its unique combination of stealth, speed, agility, and situational awareness." A huge understatement. It's the only true 5th gen that's tailored for performance, rather than cost savings (ala the F-35). The others are completely unproven (Chinese) or both unproven and in extremely limited quantities, while not providing true stealt…

>cost savings (ala the F-35) What.

Hue hue, but it WAS the theory. The F-35 was planned as:

A. The "light" F/A part of the heavy/light fighter model.

B. Meant to save costs by having one aircraft with shared parts (across the three models) fill virtually all roles.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by [deleted] »

checktheorder wrote: post #13
ohaideredevs wrote: post #7

"The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor is one of the world’s premier fighter jets, thanks to its unique combination of stealth, speed, agility, and situational awareness." A huge understatement. It's the only true 5th gen that's tailored for performance, rather than cost savings (ala the F-35). The others are completely unproven (Chinese) or both unproven and in extremely limited quantities, while not providing true stealt…

>cost savings (ala the F-35) What.

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Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by ThreeFx »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #6
vipa123 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that Kubernetes-powered fighter jets is a bad idea, bordering on catastrophically bad. That said, I assume they'll be using Kubernetes as a development and test platform -on the ground- to produce some form of binary output that would go on the plane.

If it's any k8s distro let it be openshift. Best selinux integration. That said, how can you not wince reading, "To do this, Lockheed wanted to adopt principles and frameworks common in software lexicon like agile, scrum, minimum viable product (MVP) and DevSecOps."

Flying on MVP software must surely be exhilerating.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by vemv »

Scrum has been a catastrophe to the software industry (argued elsewhere countless times) - I don't want to imagine the consequences it can have for jet figthers.

For such environments you definitely want to have no deadlines at all, to have a special focus on well-defined requirements, and in software quality.

That investment should be marginal compared to hardware costs.

And in fact, by going more slowly, you end up delivering faster after a couple years, when you enjoy zero tech debt and an excellent foundation.

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