I thought they had just stated they weren't going to end suport: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20607945
Terminating Service for 8Chan
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#12Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."
Warnings are only effective if people act on them.
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#13Its important that a company distances themselves from this type of behaviour but even slightly spinning it as action against something is disingenuous at best. So much more needs to happen to really address these problems and Im fairly confident a cdn isnt the make or break for shootings in America.
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#14Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."
This. Having this content out in the open means we can monitor it. I totally get why Cloudflare would not want to do business with 8Chan, but every step towards pushing 8Chan and it's members underground is less visibility into the kind of people who operate on the site.
Having it out in the open also attracts the users in the first place.
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#15On the one hand, I like the idea of a free, open, and distributed internet, where no one company or government has the power to control what is distributed or discussed. As the great John Gilmore said, more aspirationally than accurately even then: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."
On the other hand, we don't live in that world, and I don't know how well it would work in practice if we did. In this world, corporations and governments have enormous power. Cloudflare has made it clear that it will use that power in a fairly limited and restrained way, but it will use it as it sees fit.
Given that, this seems like a reasonable exercise of that power, and that's about the best we can hope for.
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#16> we draw the line at platforms that have demonstrated they directly inspire tragic events and are lawless by design
What does "lawless by design" mean?
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#17Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."
This. Having this content out in the open means we can monitor it. I totally get why Cloudflare would not want to do business with 8Chan, but every step towards pushing 8Chan and it's members underground is less visibility into the kind of people who operate on the site.
Less visibility for those not already on it looking to join in too though. If it gets forced so far underground that law enforcement can't figure out a way in I don't see how some disaffected youth somewhere could either.
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#18I thought they had just stated they weren't going to end suport: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20607945
Yes, but Cloudflare needs talented engineers, and talented engineers don’t sign up to serve clients like 8chan. Software doesn’t run on one person’s contrarian politics.
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#19Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."
This. Having this content out in the open means we can monitor it. I totally get why Cloudflare would not want to do business with 8Chan, but every step towards pushing 8Chan and it's members underground is less visibility into the kind of people who operate on the site.
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#20Another way to view this would be, "Cloudflare ends support for mass shooting early warning system."
Seems like Cloudflare CEO can't decide whether he wants to truly be content-neutral.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/cloudflares-ceo-...
Obviously not supporting these sites, but I think an argument can be made for at least being _consistent_ about whether or not you're going to allow only things you find morally reasonable on your service.