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Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Post by pram »

ericpauley wrote: post #3
dman wrote: post #2

The page for the language is here - https://darklang.com/ but sadly no technical details appear to be publicly available at this time.

I'm not convinced. The authors cite sources of complexity that are mostly domain-specific artifacts of web development, yet make pretty broad claims about a fundamental advancement in language design. Maybe the authors have some insight about these pain points, but it certainly doesn't seem necessary to create a whole new language to solve them, especially as frameworks such as gRPC have already (at least partially)…

It might just transpile into something else, doesn’t necessarily need to be completely from scratch. Their documentation is pretty opaque though as others have mentioned so who knows.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Post by kybernetikos »

trevyn wrote: post #8

Should probably replace with the first-party article: https://medium.com/darklang/dark-announces-3-5m-in-seed-fina...

That site also has the benefit that I don't have to sign my personal info over to oath and their thousands of partners to read it.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Post by tnolet »

This reminds me a lot of the Salesforce Apex platform where the language, runtime, datamodel, hosting and all infra is part of one package.

But Salesforce has a very specific niche, this seems to be for general purpose web dev and I’m pretty sure it will be a hard time getting people to switch.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Post by StyloW »

It sounds pretty cool until the point where you read something like: "Deployment is risky because you’ve only tested on your own machine, and now you need to run the same code on many different machines, to serve (millions of) users." Which makes it seem like they don't even know about the existence of Docker; making me doubt most of what they'll try to sell us.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Post by mroche »

> If you build your application in Dark’s language inside of Dark’s editor, the reward is you can deploy it automatically on Dark’s infrastructure on Google Cloud Platform without worrying about all of the typical underlying deployment tasks.

> ... Ellen Chisa, CEO and co-founder at the company, admits that the Dark approach requires learning to use her company’s toolset, but she says the trade-off is worth it because everything has been carefully designed to work in tandem.

So this “deployless” method is really you just offset the deploying mechanism and control (probably to varying degrees) to a third party that’s dependent on another third party. I don’t buy that. There are so many tools that make web application deployment simple and easy without constraining what tools you get to use and what platform you get to run it on.

I’d have to look more at the project itself, but just reading that article I have a number of concerns/questions with this idea. I would be interested in who they are trying to market this to. One size fits all sounds great in theory, but rarely ever works out well in practice.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Post by nudpiedo »

I think that's the future. Perhaps not exactly Dark itself since we know nothing about it but a toolset that integrates all moving parts from current computation and information engineering and sets them in a well coupled system. Reinvent the wheel at higher levels.
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