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Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

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Re: Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

#11
Yes, I could not understand why they were mandatory. They are not "fun" for some and actually builds anxiety. And the experience in turn creates an uncomfortable environment later.

Corp and Managers need to consider this when having these activities.

Re: Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

#12
Most of them are badly thought out. We had a bowling event on a work day once. This was when we were behind schedule. It was stressful to take the day off, when I'd rather be working.

Productive engineers = happy engineers

Happy engineers = productive engineers

It's a nice loop. Don't break it.

If you want people to be tighter knit, just make them solve a problem together (e.g. actual work). A lot of good friendships were forged around exhausting days.

Re: Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

#14
It's a trade-off. I do agree that they should be optional. However, maybe you should try advocating for activities that promote team bonding that you also find fun. My office recently had a board game night that went pretty well. It was quiet and there were a variety of games, from silly stuff like Sorry! to very involved games like Secret Hitler. Both an introvert- and extrovert-pleaser. It's easy to just think something is bad and be annoyed about it; much harder to do something about it.

> For any software engineer truly suited to their job, the work required should already be "fun", in and of itself. If not, then said engineer is in the wrong line of work and should find something they would enjoy doing every day for the rest of their career.

What nonsense. If you don't have at least one thing you don't like doing at your job you must work at fucking Candyland... I love where I work, but everyone has bad days.

Re: Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to me to be implying that truly happy employees want to crank out long hours at work because the work makes them happy. But I find after a certain number of hours without a break you work can be a net negative. Mistakes, bad decisions etc. Also big missions are like multi marathons and you definitely don’t want to keep sprinting them. And not to mention people with outside work commitments such as children,…

Yeah, that is what I'm implying. Definitely, too much work and not enough time away can limit creativity, big-picture strategy etc. But with proper motivation, I've pushed myself up to 125hrs/wk and been happier than ever (though slightly brain dead as well). When not in single-minded pursuit of something like founding a company or an exciting mission I totally agree with you. With all the other commitments and desir…

A company is just a bunch of people therefore a company's interest can be whatever a bunch of people interest is. And it's not necessarily max output.

Re: Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

#16
No extra job activity is mandatory. You can't be fired for skipping it.

Now, a lot of people will make you feel it's mandatory. The truth is: no one wants to do this. Everybody I know hates christmas parties, poker nights, and bowling with workmates. But you kind of go along, because it's actually good for team bonding. And team bonding is an important part of company culture and to avoid friction and conflict at work.

Now, if you really hate it so much, just find excuses for not going.

And yes, if they shame you for it, they're definitely bad managers.

Re: Shouldn't managers at companies make their supposedly fun activities optional?

#17
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Socializing with other people at your place of work is part of the job in my opinion. Not just for you but for your co-workers. Even if I have zero interest in my coworkers, it benefits me to make them comfortable around me and make it clear they can approach me with questions or problems. It makes the eventual stressful decisions or disagreements far easier to deal with. Socializing is the best way to break that ice…

You can socialize plenty during work hours.
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