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Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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How difficult is it to build transmission lines in the US? In Germany we have enormous problems building a transmission line from the offshore windparks in the north to the industrial centers in the south. NIMBYs are opposing it fiercly.

Same problem in the states, although it’s improving with buried HVDC (much smaller right of way required, no need to lay concrete conduit, etc).

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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post #10

How difficult is it to build transmission lines in the US? In Germany we have enormous problems building a transmission line from the offshore windparks in the north to the industrial centers in the south. NIMBYs are opposing it fiercly.

Similar in the US.. but will vary greatly depending on where you're going to/from. Of course, the NIMBYs are really against expansion of nuclear power, which by all means should be much more common than coal at this point. Especially in relatively stable locations like inland Texas, for example (and most of the non-coastal southwest us).

A little NIMBY/FUD goes a long way.

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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post #10

How difficult is it to build transmission lines in the US? In Germany we have enormous problems building a transmission line from the offshore windparks in the north to the industrial centers in the south. NIMBYs are opposing it fiercly.

Similar in the US.. but will vary greatly depending on where you're going to/from. Of course, the NIMBYs are really against expansion of nuclear power, which by all means should be much more common than coal at this point. Especially in relatively stable locations like inland Texas, for example (and most of the non-coastal southwest us). A little NIMBY/FUD goes a long way.

Oh I've seen NIMBYs lose their minds over wind turbines too...

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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One thing I'm amused (not in a good way) by, is that there's so much FUD and marketing around the use of Coal etc. for energy and alternatives (Nuclear, wind, solar) ... I'm not necessarily knowledge enough to favor some over others. But I always felt, "because pollution," should be enough reason alone to look at alternatives, and considering the impact of building/supplying/disposing of the materials in the alternatives as well.

I tend not to travel to/through some locations in the US simply because of the pollution. I remember the taste, smell and my eyes burning when I drove through eastern tx, la, etc to florida a few years ago... I don't get how people can just put up with it. Last two times I've been in LA, the air was just nasty.

I mean it really shouldn't even be a D vs R or LP issue... it should be an issue of sanity. And nobody seems to be willing to budge from a fringe position in any case.

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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One thing I'm amused (not in a good way) by, is that there's so much FUD and marketing around the use of Coal etc. for energy and alternatives (Nuclear, wind, solar) ... I'm not necessarily knowledge enough to favor some over others. But I always felt, "because pollution," should be enough reason alone to look at alternatives, and considering the impact of building/supplying/disposing of the materials in the alternat…

Baton Rouge, Lake Charles and Beaumont as well as St James, St Charles, Laplace are where all the refineries and chemical plants got plunked. NOLA is somewhat better

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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post #10

How difficult is it to build transmission lines in the US? In Germany we have enormous problems building a transmission line from the offshore windparks in the north to the industrial centers in the south. NIMBYs are opposing it fiercly.

Funnily enough, Rick “dismantle the DOE” Perry championed the building of interconnectors to allow the development of wind in Western Texas, he even paid for it as a public infrastructure project!

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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One thing I'm amused (not in a good way) by, is that there's so much FUD and marketing around the use of Coal etc. for energy and alternatives (Nuclear, wind, solar) ... I'm not necessarily knowledge enough to favor some over others. But I always felt, "because pollution," should be enough reason alone to look at alternatives, and considering the impact of building/supplying/disposing of the materials in the alternat…

Baton Rouge, Lake Charles and Beaumont as well as St James, St Charles, Laplace are where all the refineries and chemical plants got plunked. NOLA is somewhat better

LA native....not to mention that a good bit of the central and northern part of the state is heavily forested with pine trees. During pollen season I once sweeped my porch and filled a five-gallon ziplock bag with the yellow pollen. It makes life miserable for those of us with allergies.

Baton Rouge does have some refineries and chemical plants (Dow) on the river. The only good smelling plant is the Community Coffee facility.

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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One thing I'm amused (not in a good way) by, is that there's so much FUD and marketing around the use of Coal etc. for energy and alternatives (Nuclear, wind, solar) ... I'm not necessarily knowledge enough to favor some over others. But I always felt, "because pollution," should be enough reason alone to look at alternatives, and considering the impact of building/supplying/disposing of the materials in the alternat…

I'm an ex-smoker. Generators of fossil fuels have managed to generate some very impressive narratives and all on a par with the tobacco industry. As a long term consumer of fags (30 years), I managed some pretty impressive feats of woolly thinking.

When I gave up fags, that was for me and my immediate family - I smell better now and might live longer and my lung capacity is still improving. Giving up on fossil fuels is for humanity as a whole. Do they (all of humanity) actually give a shit enough to make you want to change?

However, we should do this and I will start with a hybrid and then move to a full 'leccy only car when the charging time and range suits me. I won't save the world and it might still get a bit hot around here but I'll have a very quiet car.

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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post #3

Makes sense Texas is one flat windy state.

Importantly, according to this map [1], it’s one of the better places for high average wind speed over a year at 30m and 100m height. From the Dakotas/Montana down through Texas is the sweet spot for turbines. [1] https://www.nrel.gov/gis/wind.html

Look at the ribbon of purple offshore!

Re: Wind is outpacing coal as a power source in Texas for the first time

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Not difficult to imagine.

I drove from Illinois to Arizona just last week. In west Texas, steady winds were turning hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of energy converters. Below those turbines were enormous fields of corn rivaling anything seen in southern Illinois. Ethanol? When the wind farms ended the feed lots began. Thousands and thousands of head of cattle being fed from hay piles five hundred feet long and two stories tall. Beyond that, a thousand head of black angus free grazing next to man-made water resevoirs a thousand foot wide.

One thing you learn about Texans -- they know how to scale.

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