On a more positive note, Glacier National Park removed its "gone by 2020" sign, and it looks like in fact the glaciers will still be there next year. https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/07/national-park-glacier-war...
Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought
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#12Even if disaster is inevitable, there are degrees of disaster and even individual actions can reduce suffering later.
The biggest thing I see everyone getting wrong about the environment is that acting on one's environmental values is a burden or chore. I used to think so, but found doing so improved my life, despite my expectations before acting.
Flying less, cutting out animal food, avoiding packaged food, etc. . . Now that I do them, I wish I had changed earlier.
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#13The takeaways are not that all glaciers are melting faster but that this kind of glacier is melting faster and that similar underwater measurement now needs to be done on other types of glaciers (notably valley glaciers).
Most Alaskan glaciers don't end in the ocean, which is one significant factor. For Greenland where many do the ocean water is quite a bit colder - "water in LeConte Bay is warm relative to the ice, and even other fjords around the world."
Of course, further studies may end up being done without unemployed University of Alaska researchers[0][1].
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#14I hope people use this news to motivate changing their behavior. Of course we want governments, corporations, and other institutions to act. History shows that the fastest most effective way is for each of us to start first. Even if disaster is inevitable, there are degrees of disaster and even individual actions can reduce suffering later. The biggest thing I see everyone getting wrong about the environment is that…
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#15I hope people use this news to motivate changing their behavior. Of course we want governments, corporations, and other institutions to act. History shows that the fastest most effective way is for each of us to start first. Even if disaster is inevitable, there are degrees of disaster and even individual actions can reduce suffering later. The biggest thing I see everyone getting wrong about the environment is that…
Exactly what history shows this? Every major case of social change I can think of (civil rights, women's rights, labor rights, what environmental regulations we have) has happened through mass movements not independent individual choices.
The time is for collective action on this. @GretaThunberg has been quite articulate about the need for immediate systemic change not just personal choices. Also, great news today, thanks to action on the part of @sunrisemvmt CNN will host a climate-focused Democratic primary debate. Movements can change what is "possible".
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#16Time to move to Nepal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_adaptation_in_N...
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#18I hope people use this news to motivate changing their behavior. Of course we want governments, corporations, and other institutions to act. History shows that the fastest most effective way is for each of us to start first. Even if disaster is inevitable, there are degrees of disaster and even individual actions can reduce suffering later. The biggest thing I see everyone getting wrong about the environment is that…
> Of course we want governments, corporations, and other institutions to act. History shows that the fastest most effective way is for each of us to start first. Exactly what history shows this? Every major case of social change I can think of (civil rights, women's rights, labor rights, what environmental regulations we have) has happened through mass movements not independent individual choices. The time is for col…
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emis...
There's only one solution that is known to be practical and based on non speculative approaches: nuclear fission power. And we have to do it globally. Even if emissions in the West drop to zero yesterday, it won't matter.
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#19It would be a lie if I said I was surprised, currently I hear news from everywhere that climate change is moving faster forward than expected. The time window we have left to rescue what is left is shrinking. This worries me a lot.
(I was once talking to a friend over beers, ranting about some politics I was unhappy about. And he asked me: So what are you doing about it? Of course, I wasn't doing anything besides complaining, and this made something click in my head. All of my self-important opinions were worth nothing if I couldn't be bothered to do anything about them. I think about this a lot and it has changed the way I see the world.)
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#20https://science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.aax35...
People should try reading the actual science instead of some journalist's cherry-picked take on the science. It's also interesting that Disney ("evil media corporation") now controls NatGeo.
As Bill Gates recently noted, climate alarmists are more of a problem than the "deniers." Here's a story from the BBC this week titled, Climate change: 12 years to save the planet? Make that 18 months:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48964736
This is getting ridiculous. The submitter, in this case, appears to have issues with civility, and is obsessively submitting climate related articles for an account that's less than 60 days.