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Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#11
Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election.

I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only real solution will be for wealthy nations paying Brazil to not exploit their natural resources, which seems like a very very high ask for all parties involved. Otherwise we'll see the continued destruction for at least another 30-40 years until there's a global demographic peak. We're also going to see the destruction of the Canadian Boreal forest as temperatures rise makes such land viable for industrial fa…

You can donate to charities that directly purchase rainforest. Rainforesttrust.org is one. They can purchase an acre of land for around 10 dollars. Right now the main issue is that last year they only received 15 million in donations. Not nearly enough to stop the problem.

Having looked into it only briefly, how are these "owned" acres policed?

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#13
post #7
post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The money is not made on the lumber, but on agriculture. I recently read that, most of the deforested regions are used for low-density cattle (0.5 cow / hectare), which gets transformed into beef, mainly for export.

This is the main reason I became a vegetarian.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

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post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

> Less monoculture in the crops, seed varieties of crops we already grow to increase diversity in agriculture.

Less people on planet Earth consuming like there is no tommorow

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#15

Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election. I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.

Stop eating meat could be one of answers.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#16
I’m interested in this but not knowledgeable.

What is a “tipping point” in this context? The article doesn’t say.

How does the overall size of a forest affect its ability to re-expand? Wouldn’t this happen at the edges once those are no longer maintained, regardless of the overall size?

Does “unrecoverable” mean “via natural processes”? Wouldn’t it be possible for human intervention to reforest?

Thx.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#17
post #15

Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election. I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.

Stop eating meat could be one of answers.

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Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#18
post #7
post #2

How much money is made from the farmland from deforested regions... how much from the lumber and how much from the reuse of the land? How many countries are trading with Brazil for consuming those goods? It's a big problem, but without some input from trade partners globally and/or other support, I'm not sure what the solution really is. Also, not just in Brazil, but other areas with grasslands that have seen deserti…

The money is not made on the lumber, but on agriculture. I recently read that, most of the deforested regions are used for low-density cattle (0.5 cow / hectare), which gets transformed into beef, mainly for export.

Which is sad, because you don't need deep deforestation to introduce grassland for grazing. Also, I'm consistently curious why other grassland ruminants aren't more popularized, some of which imho taste better.

As to another comment on going vegan, it's just not an option for me... that doesn't mean I don't want more responsible means of farming.

Re: Amazon deforestation accelerating to unrecoverable 'tipping point'

#20
post #15

Until we find an economic solution, this trend will just continue. Unfortunately, people only want to profit at all costs and governments usually want to be enablers of that, so the economy grows and they can have more votes in the next election. I think the real question is: can equivalent money to logging/beef be made from tropical forests? If we can come up with an answer to that, maybe we can revert this trend.

Stop eating meat could be one of answers.

So is "stop having more than 2 children".

Another one is "stop buying things you don't really need".

But yeah, good luck convincing people to get behind that.

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