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Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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anyone care to talk about this part "This feature is currently operating in “shadow mode” in the fleet, which compares our software algorithm to real-world driver behavior across tens of millions of instances around the world."

that seems very juicy?

edit: it seems people put a disclaimer on their ownership of tesla stock on hn about tesla threads. i dont own any.

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

#13

anyone care to talk about this part "This feature is currently operating in “shadow mode” in the fleet, which compares our software algorithm to real-world driver behavior across tens of millions of instances around the world." that seems very juicy? edit: it seems people put a disclaimer on their ownership of tesla stock on hn about tesla threads. i dont own any.

This is a known feature unveiled, I believe, on Tesla's autonomy day. It just means they're able to test Autopilot on cars even if they aren't running autopilot.

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

#14
Tesla's stock has massively under-performed over the past 5 years (will be up 8% over that period if the after hours price action holds). The opportunity cost of owning it has been huge while the rest of the market ripped up.

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They missed market expectations. They lost 6x more money (-$2.31/share vs expected -$0.35/share) and sold less cars ($6.3b sales vs $6.5b expected) than the market wanted with more capex to come (China Gigafactory, Model Y).

Not sure how does the CapEx gets allocated for the projects that are already progressing. For example: Tesla started building GF2 in China a few months ago so any idea in which Quarter(s) Tesla account for the CapEx? Is it before the project starts or at the end or every month gets even distribution of CapEx allocation from Start until End of the project.

China GF is GF3. GF2 is in Buffalo, NY (old SolarCity facility, which also manufactures Supercharger station hardware).

I can't speak to how GF3 capex is being accounted for, but competition was fierce to provide financing to Tesla [1]. China pulled out all of the stops not just for permitting and financing, but also construction (GF3 is already having Model 3 production line equipment installed, after breaking ground in January [2]). In less than a year, it will go from vacant land to producing Model 3s.

[1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-3-funding-chines...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI6nJOic4BM (June 22 2019) Tesla Gigafactory 3 in Shanghai China Update

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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post #13

anyone care to talk about this part "This feature is currently operating in “shadow mode” in the fleet, which compares our software algorithm to real-world driver behavior across tens of millions of instances around the world." that seems very juicy? edit: it seems people put a disclaimer on their ownership of tesla stock on hn about tesla threads. i dont own any.

This is a known feature unveiled, I believe, on Tesla's autonomy day. It just means they're able to test Autopilot on cars even if they aren't running autopilot.

neat. I would say im optomistic on this actual self driving stuff. But coming from almost no machine learning knowledge, doesn't this make tesla way ahead of google/waymo and others? Because they can simply check when they failed and tweak.

I'm just curious if it does make them way ahead, and if so how much more ahead? Is this driving a car vs horse wagon levels?

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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post #13

anyone care to talk about this part "This feature is currently operating in “shadow mode” in the fleet, which compares our software algorithm to real-world driver behavior across tens of millions of instances around the world." that seems very juicy? edit: it seems people put a disclaimer on their ownership of tesla stock on hn about tesla threads. i dont own any.

This is a known feature unveiled, I believe, on Tesla's autonomy day. It just means they're able to test Autopilot on cars even if they aren't running autopilot.

Or, it means that the feature is running and the neural nets exercising, but not outputting actual control. The results are captured, but not acted on.

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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post #13

anyone care to talk about this part "This feature is currently operating in “shadow mode” in the fleet, which compares our software algorithm to real-world driver behavior across tens of millions of instances around the world." that seems very juicy? edit: it seems people put a disclaimer on their ownership of tesla stock on hn about tesla threads. i dont own any.

This is a known feature unveiled, I believe, on Tesla's autonomy day. It just means they're able to test Autopilot on cars even if they aren't running autopilot.

Disclaimer: I own no financial stake in Tesla, and while I love the goal of converting the world towards electric vehicles as whole I am not a fan of Tesla or Elon Musk.

There are people much more informed than myself that believe Shadow Mode isn't real, and that Tesla is outright lying about its existence.

https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1096322810694287361

Re: Tesla Q2 2019 Letter

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Tesla's stock has massively under-performed over the past 5 years (will be up 8% over that period if the after hours price action holds). The opportunity cost of owning it has been huge while the rest of the market ripped up.

Yes, if you pick the most embarrassing time period for a given stock, it probably massively under-performed. Alternately, you can pick the most flattering time period.
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