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Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

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Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

lnsru wrote: post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

Germany's tech illiteracy is a self-inflicted consequence of its pitiful salaries in this field, treating IT like a cost center that has to be outsourced to wherever is cheaper and companies' tradition of rewarding management incompetence over technical competence.

Consequently, Germany's most brilliant tech minds leave for The Valley, Zurich or London.

You reap what you sow.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

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Post by sparkling »

akuji1993 wrote: post #7
tobiasu wrote: post #4

What an obnoxious presentation. And I'm paying for this garbage.

Not really sure what is so obnoxious about this. The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Quite a high design standard to compare to and they're doing pretty well. No idea what you are talking about.

> The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are.

Not him, but for me: yes and thats the problem.

I don't need Infotainment wrapped, information wrapped in some storytelling timeline with broken scrolling. Just give me a well done article without the nonsense, Jesus. These animation, hex code dumps etc. add ZERO value to the article.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#13

Post by bflesch »

akuji1993 wrote: post #7
tobiasu wrote: post #4

What an obnoxious presentation. And I'm paying for this garbage.

Not really sure what is so obnoxious about this. The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Quite a high design standard to compare to and they're doing pretty well. No idea what you are talking about.

Problem is that you are forced to pay three times the price of Spotify/Netflix per month for this stuff in Germany, as this website (and many others) is financed by a mandatory fee.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

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Post by Bouncingsoul1 »

bflesch wrote: post #13
akuji1993 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really sure what is so obnoxious about this. The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Quite a high design standard to compare to and they're doing pretty well. No idea what you are talking about.

Problem is that you are forced to pay three times the price of Spotify/Netflix per month for this stuff in Germany, as this website (and many others) is financed by a mandatory fee.

Exaggerated,it is not "three times" , if you combine Spotify/Netflix you could say "you pay the same per month as for Spotify+Netflix combined (around 17€)", If you compare it to Netflix or Spotify the ratio would be 1:1.5/7. As it is payed per household the ratio is even lower if you have a family. I'm not a big fan of this mandatory fee either but we should stay a the facts.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

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Post by [deleted] »

lnsru wrote: post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

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Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#16

Post by bobjordan »

"Modern-day espionage operations have one big advantage: Instead of painstakingly planting agents in companies, digital spies are simply sending prepared emails."

We face this threat in my business - daily fishing attempts or schemes to get employees to open files. It never stops.

This is a primary reason when we started designing our new web app at bomquote.com a few years ago, we first focused on communication tools which reduce our use of email both internally and in our dealings with our customers.

Sure, there will be attempts to hack our app servers, but from my view we can deal with that easier than preventing our accounting admin from clicking on a well crafted email.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#17

Post by mschuster91 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #11
lnsru wrote: post #10

As of today we still use shared network drives for everything in major German company. We don’t use slack/irc/Skype/zoom/whatever. Phone calls and conferences(!) from the middle of open office is normal. Asana/Trello/Jira are not known at all. GitHub is paid for, but never used. I am single weirdo in multi department project using github ticket system. The code with prefix is copied for colleagues to project’s shared…

Germany's tech illiteracy is a self-inflicted consequence of its pitiful salaries in this field, treating IT like a cost center that has to be outsourced to wherever is cheaper and companies' tradition of rewarding management incompetence over technical competence. Consequently, Germany's most brilliant tech minds leave for The Valley, Zurich or London. You reap what you sow.

> treating IT like a cost center that has to be outsourced to wherever is cheaper

As if outsourcing wasn't a common trend across Western companies "thanks" to globalization and the utter dominance of US-american neoliberalism.

> and companies' tradition of rewarding management incompetence over technical competence

Again, quite common - the "old" Soziale Marktwirtschaft moguls with decades-long visions would not let today's next-quarter-only shit fly for long.

> Consequently, Germany's most brilliant tech minds leave for The Valley, Zurich or London.

Care to have a source for SV and London? People avoid SV/USA due to the current President and London due to the Brexit uncertainity - in fact, whoever can flees from the UK before Johnson drives everything into the ground. Only correct point is Switzerland but that's not surprising since their wages run way, way higher than Germanys across the board...

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#18

Post by mschuster91 »

sparkling wrote: post #12
akuji1993 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really sure what is so obnoxious about this. The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Quite a high design standard to compare to and they're doing pretty well. No idea what you are talking about.

> The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Not him, but for me: yes and thats the problem. I don't need Infotainment wrapped, information wrapped in some storytelling timeline with broken scrolling. Just give me a well done article without the nonsense, Jesus. These animation, hex code dumps etc. add ZERO value to the article.

Us techies are not the target group for such articles, they're made for the "normal" population.

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

#19

Post by mschuster91 »

bflesch wrote: post #13
akuji1993 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really sure what is so obnoxious about this. The whole article is made up like the NYTimes interactive articles are. Quite a high design standard to compare to and they're doing pretty well. No idea what you are talking about.

Problem is that you are forced to pay three times the price of Spotify/Netflix per month for this stuff in Germany, as this website (and many others) is financed by a mandatory fee.

So what? With 210€ a year it's not much more expensive than the 162€ in UK, for example. At least they're politically neutral and stick to facts and solid journalistic work, compared to private TV stations or the Axel Springer Verlag...

Re: Winnti: Hackers attacking the heart of German industry

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Post by mtgx »

bobjordan wrote: post #16

"Modern-day espionage operations have one big advantage: Instead of painstakingly planting agents in companies, digital spies are simply sending prepared emails." We face this threat in my business - daily fishing attempts or schemes to get employees to open files. It never stops. This is a primary reason when we started designing our new web app at bomquote.com a few years ago, we first focused on communication tool…

Using U2F security keys is one way to stop phishing if the app you're supposed to log into requires it.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/google-security-keys-neu...

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