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Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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These are some of the most absurdly vague patents I've ever heard. Very, very bad form.

Have you actually read them? Read the claims? They're software patents, so plenty of folk will hate them just based on that... but they really are not poorly drafted patents.

So they're some of the best-drafted, absurdly vague patents out there?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you actually read them? Read the claims? They're software patents, so plenty of folk will hate them just based on that... but they really are not poorly drafted patents.

No. As I am not a patent attorney and do not speak legalese, I had to concern myself with the abstract descriptions only. Have you? These appear to cover what is essentially the * symbol appearing over your "notifications" icon after a timeout on facebook, or the (1) appearing on twitter if you leave it idle for long enough and a new tweet appears in your stream. Do you think that this is unique enough an idea that o…

That's kind of my point. The title means nothing. The abstract means almost nothing. The figures mean almost nothing. Have a look here for a brief guide to reading a patent, written for nonlawyers. http://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2010/09/how-to-read-a-patent-...

Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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Anyone really believes this is not coordinated with Microsoft? So the next phase will be when e.g. Wozniak put up a software patent company and sues Microsoft, Google and Nokia? And then some investors in Google will finance a patent troll company which... Patent Armageddon, here we come. :-(

Putting my tinfoil hat on an Android injunction next year would do wonders to help Windows Phone 7 gain market share.

Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you actually read them? Read the claims? They're software patents, so plenty of folk will hate them just based on that... but they really are not poorly drafted patents.

So they're some of the best-drafted, absurdly vague patents out there?

The claims really are not particularly vague.

Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. As I am not a patent attorney and do not speak legalese, I had to concern myself with the abstract descriptions only. Have you? These appear to cover what is essentially the * symbol appearing over your "notifications" icon after a timeout on facebook, or the (1) appearing on twitter if you leave it idle for long enough and a new tweet appears in your stream. Do you think that this is unique enough an idea that o…

That's kind of my point. The title means nothing. The abstract means almost nothing. The figures mean almost nothing. Have a look here for a brief guide to reading a patent, written for nonlawyers. http://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2010/09/how-to-read-a-patent-...

Do you think this sort of thing (that programmers would have to concern themselves with reading patents beyond their description) is acceptable?

Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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Paul Allen is taking advantage of the law. There is nothing really wrong with that. If you think the law is wrong, then let's work to try to change it. I personally find these intellectual property monopolies to be more menace than good. Especially the 17-year-long patents for SOFTWARE!

Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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These are some of the most absurdly vague patents I've ever heard. Very, very bad form.

Even if they were not vague. Even if he described in intricate detail exactly how a newsfeed works, or a search engine works in 1990, say. And you look at the patent and go WOW, HE TOTALLY DESCRIBED WHAT GOOGLE DOES. If he didn't build any technology to implement it, if he didn't struggle with the development, with scaling, attracting users, building a market, then do you think it's fair for Google to just pay him for merely describing something to the US Patent Office and then keeping it secret? This hampers competition. This is not good.

It's not Paul Allen we should be complaining about. After all, the patent law makes Intellectual Ventures and Interval Licensing very good ideas as companies. Their business plan is exactly that -- describe some things, then wait a few years, and go litigate.

Re: Microsoft cofounder Paul Allen tries again with patent megasuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's kind of my point. The title means nothing. The abstract means almost nothing. The figures mean almost nothing. Have a look here for a brief guide to reading a patent, written for nonlawyers. http://www.danshapiro.com/blog/2010/09/how-to-read-a-patent-...

Do you think this sort of thing (that programmers would have to concern themselves with reading patents beyond their description) is acceptable?

Do I think it's acceptable that adults are required to have some understanding of how the world around them works? Yes, I do.
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