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Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by lonelappde »

trevyn wrote: post #10
riffraff wrote: post #5

I am very curious, but worried, of the situation in HK. Concretely, it seems HKers can protest as much as they want, but when push comes to shove, the PRC will just end up crushing them and the parts of democracy they still have. I can't imagine how they may get any other outcome. Even if I wish they could just gain independence, it seems unlikely, and it's not like any foreign power would go to war to protect HK.

> I can't imagine how they may get any other outcome. There is one person who has made himself a big single point of failure for China.

Who?

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by laumars »

bitskits wrote: post #6
ryanlol wrote: post #2

Lots of footage with clear faces, shouldn’t be very difficult to put names next to those. Does anyone know of any co-ordinated efforts to do so?

Is that really the right course of action, given the protests are a push back against China asserting control and surveillance over HK's citizens?

The protesters are being subjected to the assaults rather than being the masked assailants.

My gut reaction is these attackers are from mainland China and who have been organised by an official in order to try and reduce HK's tendency to protest (a sentiment echoed in that article as well).

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by Merrill »

riffraff wrote: post #5

I am very curious, but worried, of the situation in HK. Concretely, it seems HKers can protest as much as they want, but when push comes to shove, the PRC will just end up crushing them and the parts of democracy they still have. I can't imagine how they may get any other outcome. Even if I wish they could just gain independence, it seems unlikely, and it's not like any foreign power would go to war to protect HK.

The population of PRC is approximately 200 times the population of Hong Kong.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by conjectures »

AFascistWorld wrote: post #3

This follows protesters' siege of The Liaison Office of the Central People's Government in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. PS: I'm just stating a fact not endorsing anyone here. The "siege" of CCP office is a very bad move. They are hurting the face of the mainland, provided excuses and received the ruthless response this political machine was designed to do.

It also follows the birth of Jesus and the battle of Gallipoli. Your point being?

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by croo »

There are a few good summary comments about the situation on /r/worldnews like:

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/cg1sh2/chaos_and...

What I personally find astounding that the police were pulled out right before the fight, the 999 operators hanged up for the callers and nearby police stations were closed during the event.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by briandear »

sgjohnson wrote: post #7

Seems like they could use the 2nd amendment there.

That is exactly the reason the 2nd Amendment exists in the US constitution. It certainly wasn’t to protect target shooting and hunting, but to protect against precisely the sort of oppression happening in Hong Kong. Governments should fear the people, not the other way around. The 2nd Amendment is a check on tyranny. Those that are downvoting the parent, what’s the solution? In China, you can’t protest your way to freedom. It hasn’t worked. It’s naïve to think that non-violent protest against China would ever solve anything. Let’s not forget the non-violence of Gandhi in India was strengthened by actual violence. [1]

And the American revolution wasn’t won because of protest, in fact, there was considerable protest and petitioning against the British prior to war and it resulted in the British becoming even more oppressive. It took guns and blood to win.

[1] http://theconversation.com/the-forgotten-violence-that-helpe...

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by rubinelli »

nailer wrote: post #8
riffraff wrote: post #5

I am very curious, but worried, of the situation in HK. Concretely, it seems HKers can protest as much as they want, but when push comes to shove, the PRC will just end up crushing them and the parts of democracy they still have. I can't imagine how they may get any other outcome. Even if I wish they could just gain independence, it seems unlikely, and it's not like any foreign power would go to war to protect HK.

Back in... IIRC 2012 mainland regime tried to impose the PRC school curriculum, which includes a bunch of false things (Mao defeating the Japanese instead of Chiang Kai Shek) and obviously removes references to others (the Tiananmen massacre). The teachers won and the PRC curriculum was never implemented.

The problem with erosion of rights is that they have to fight and win every time. The PRC just has to win once.

Re: Chaos in Hong Kong as hundreds of masked men assault protesters, journalists

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Post by literallycancer »

bitskits wrote: post #6
ryanlol wrote: post #2

Lots of footage with clear faces, shouldn’t be very difficult to put names next to those. Does anyone know of any co-ordinated efforts to do so?

Is that really the right course of action, given the protests are a push back against China asserting control and surveillance over HK's citizens?

What do you suggest? Should they just bend over and take it?
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