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Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#11

Coral Talk is a Vox Media endeavor.

That certainly puts a very different angle on how this will be used, and what use cases it's targeted towards. From prior experience, Vox outlets are extremely stringent about what they permit in their comments: specifically, only people who agree or can extend the arguments of a given article further are preserved; or quibbles about minor details. No true discussion is allowed outside the article's bubble.

Source? Those are pretty serious accusations.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#12

It took a few clicks to find the license so here it is: Apache v2. Not bad, I've been looking at open source social network software recently and unfortunately all the widely used ones are AGPL3. I get the benefits but I could find anything reasonably of remotely similar quality that was even GPL3.

Do you have particular uses for open source social network software for which the AGPL would be a problem for your usage?

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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post #8

Coral Talk is a Vox Media endeavor.

Their license says the copyright of the project belongs to Mozilla. How weird. https://github.com/coralproject/talk/blob/master/LICENSE

It started as a Mozilla Foundation project, and then Vox Media took it over.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#14
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That certainly puts a very different angle on how this will be used, and what use cases it's targeted towards. From prior experience, Vox outlets are extremely stringent about what they permit in their comments: specifically, only people who agree or can extend the arguments of a given article further are preserved; or quibbles about minor details. No true discussion is allowed outside the article's bubble.

Source? Those are pretty serious accusations.

Funny, I don't see these as accusations, I see these as curated engagement.

The upside is there, if you know up-front its the basis of the engagement. If its applied retrospectively it sucks, for a number of people.

But curation is not always bad. "it depends"

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That certainly puts a very different angle on how this will be used, and what use cases it's targeted towards. From prior experience, Vox outlets are extremely stringent about what they permit in their comments: specifically, only people who agree or can extend the arguments of a given article further are preserved; or quibbles about minor details. No true discussion is allowed outside the article's bubble.

Source? Those are pretty serious accusations.

Personal anecdote.

Vox itself removed comments after a time, probably because this bubble could not reasonably be preserved in response to the majority of their articles.

The Verge is somewhat more open, depending on the topic and whether it is technical or political in nature.

Polygon's Ben Kuchera is a caustically aggressive moderator, and is the primary one I saw behaving in this manner, in addition to antagonizing commenters who disagreed with an article's premise; doubly so if he himself wrote the article.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#16
post #4

The bullet list seems to describe Twitter. I've wondered why most publishers of comments don't just give up and say "comment on Twitter." Not that I would like that, but still ...

It would be interesting to have a commenting system powered by Twitter where each article/post has a Twitter post with the article name and link so others not finding this post through your website can still comment, and the replies to this Twitter post can be pulled into you article/post and listed as comments.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#17

It took a few clicks to find the license so here it is: Apache v2. Not bad, I've been looking at open source social network software recently and unfortunately all the widely used ones are AGPL3. I get the benefits but I could find anything reasonably of remotely similar quality that was even GPL3.

Do you have particular uses for open source social network software for which the AGPL would be a problem for your usage?

Yes, I wanted to add automated moderation policies (including but not limited to word filters) to improve conversation on a platform I was considering building, but as I understand it all the algorithms to implement the policies would have to be published with the rest of the site under AGPL

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#18

It took a few clicks to find the license so here it is: Apache v2. Not bad, I've been looking at open source social network software recently and unfortunately all the widely used ones are AGPL3. I get the benefits but I could find anything reasonably of remotely similar quality that was even GPL3.

You also probably want to read their Talk Platform Acceptable Use Policy https://coralproject.net/acceptable-use-policy/

Thanks, I assumed something like that for their instance of the platform, but the code is there to launch an independent instance of the platform, if desired.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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post #4

The bullet list seems to describe Twitter. I've wondered why most publishers of comments don't just give up and say "comment on Twitter." Not that I would like that, but still ...

It would be interesting to have a commenting system powered by Twitter where each article/post has a Twitter post with the article name and link so others not finding this post through your website can still comment, and the replies to this Twitter post can be pulled into you article/post and listed as comments.

That lasts until twitter changes their api or tos. Then all your comments are gone.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

#20
post #4

The bullet list seems to describe Twitter. I've wondered why most publishers of comments don't just give up and say "comment on Twitter." Not that I would like that, but still ...

If you dig deeper it's more like anti-Twitter. "We don’t allow commenters to see each other’s comment histories, We don’t have @ mentions, No Follows, No private messaging, We use ‘Respect’, not ‘Like’, Our notifications are opt in, and via email, We don’t create a feed ... for you to constantly refresh, No gamification, No infinite scroll, world-class moderation tools, We tell community members if the algorithm thinks they are breaking the rules, We don’t allow image uploads, Our communities are decentralized, We don’t have ads, We don’t pull strangers into your comments, Sometimes, we encourage sites not to have comments" https://coralproject.net/blog/five-myths-of-community-design...
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