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Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

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Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#11

... for now. What would be far more reassuring would be a statement from Google that Project Dragonfly does not meet their ethical standards as a company.

Yeah. This seems rather like carriers selling location data, or the NSA and domestic surveillance.

Both have stopped happening so many times that the only thing I'm sure about is that they will stop again sometime soon.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#12
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Does anyone know the exact requirements set by China on google for them to enter the Chinese market? I suppose adherence to Chinese law but what exactly? Support of law enforcement, censorship of specific sites, personal data stored in China etc...

Only thing I know was Google tried to bring Play Store to Chinese market, sometimes last year, but for some reason that doesn't come to fruit.

Under Xi, there is zero chance Google can have a public service offering in any way, considering its history.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

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Does anyone know the exact requirements set by China on google for them to enter the Chinese market? I suppose adherence to Chinese law but what exactly? Support of law enforcement, censorship of specific sites, personal data stored in China etc...

Handing over whatever special sauce Google uses for Dragon Fly to a Chinese owned company or “joint” venture.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#15
This is definitely not enough. There still need to be an thorough investigation into the history of the project, at least include but not limited to:

1) the internal decision making process involving this project

2) personnel who are responsible for initiating / approving the project

3) how many resources have been put into this project

4) the exact content (data sources, roadmap, goals, etc.) of this project

5) how far this project went

6) where the product / data is stored, how will they be handled when the project is terminated

7) how many of the project outputs have being provided to the Chinese government

8) the details of Chinese government involvement into this project

Also, not limited to Google, any U.S. company helps any authoritarian government doing censorship needs to be investigated.

BTW, I got lots of downvotes from comments criticizing China.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

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post #7

Does anyone know the exact requirements set by China on google for them to enter the Chinese market? I suppose adherence to Chinese law but what exactly? Support of law enforcement, censorship of specific sites, personal data stored in China etc...

Only thing I know was Google tried to bring Play Store to Chinese market, sometimes last year, but for some reason that doesn't come to fruit. Under Xi, there is zero chance Google can have a public service offering in any way, considering its history.

Good.

Maybe China will go a step further and completely isolate themselves from the internet.

Nothing of value would be lost.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

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I wonder if they will they put this on killedbygoogle.com?

While I guess you could say it was a project killed by google (supposedly - we'll see how long that lasts), killedbygoogle.com is mostly meant to shame google, and I don't really want to shame them for cancelling this project.

Lord help us if we allow nuance.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#20
Why was it terminated? In theory a search engine that merely adheres to Chinese law sounds fine. Give a better product than they already have with the same restrictions they already have. I wonder if there ended up being far more control and restrictions than they bargained for and with the increased risk of tech theft the project just wasn't worth it.
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