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Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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Post by lultimouomo »

skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

Italy's right wing movements have had a fondness for Russia for quite a few years now; Ukraine fascists are just not as famous as Russian ones, nor as powerful, so I guess it was an easy pick. An anti-EU stance might also have been a factor.

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Post by praptak »

skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/08/russia-is-...

TLDR: Russia backs these groups to undermine Western societies. Nazis admire Putin because of shared disdain for democracy.

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Post by phaer »

Karto wrote: post #8
skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

That would be a Hollywood version of the ideology. Right extreme groups are quite a tangled mess. Many of these groups in Europe are looking up to Russia (and Poland, and Hungary, and Serbia) right now. Those eastern european countries are perceived as the possible source for a European nationalist renaissance, as they display a strong stance against both european federalism and mass immigration. Obviously, that visi…

I think those countries stance against liberal ideas like gender equality, lgbt right and so on as well as a rather authoritarian form of government at least in Russia and Hungary might make western European fascists a bit jealous as well.

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Post by [deleted] »

skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

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Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile

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Post by benj111 »

How useful is this in actuality?

Could I launch it from the ground, or does it need to be launched from the air? Could i just strap it to a Cessna, or does it need other systems (radar?) to work? Does it need the original war head, or can you attach any old explosive device.

In short, if I as a potential terrorist wanted to shoot down a plane, would this be a reasonable starting point?

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Post by ryacko »

praptak wrote: post #12
skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/08/russia-is-... TLDR: Russia backs these groups to undermine Western societies. Nazis admire Putin because of shared disdain for democracy.

I wouldn’t want to associate with Nazis then, clearly they support supremacy, secrecy, and a criminal state. Democracy is associated with fairness, openness, and justice.

I would like to think that the US educational system inoculates everyone from those dreadful -isms.

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Post by nibblerbro »

benj111 wrote: post #15

How useful is this in actuality? Could I launch it from the ground, or does it need to be launched from the air? Could i just strap it to a Cessna, or does it need other systems (radar?) to work? Does it need the original war head, or can you attach any old explosive device. In short, if I as a potential terrorist wanted to shoot down a plane, would this be a reasonable starting point?

Nice try nazi, I'm not going to help you

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Post by bayesian_horse »

willvarfar wrote: post #7
skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

Yeah! The Ukrainians had small but vocal numbers of fascist volunteers on _their_ side, and that got a lot of bad press and the Russian side went to great lengths to paint the whole of Ukraine as fascist. So its really surprising they'd have fascists going to the _Russian_ side.

Russia is funding and supporting several right-wing groups and parties in Europe.

The cooperation is based on mutual pursuit of more power.

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

FDS wrote: post #10
skrebbel wrote: post #6

Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".

They didn‘t fight on the russian side. For some reason english media mistranslated original press release. https://www.poliziadistato.it/articolo/225d2c47fb2c9ef299497... It says "avevano combattuto nella regione ucraina del Donbass contro gli indipendentisti". So they were fighting against separatists.

Ars Technica needs to issue a correction to the story. Otherwise I'm going to lose considerable respect for them.

There's a fine line between making a genuine mistake and lying to your readers.

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