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A Koch Executive’s Harassment in China Adds to Fears Among Visitors

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Re: A Koch Executive’s Harassment in China Adds to Fears Among Visitors

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Post by joewee »

seieste wrote: post #10
module0000 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is the best way to deal with something like this? Bribe them, it's business as usual there. When approached by officers, this is what they are likely expecting.

Don’t do this if you’re an American—it’s illegal to bribe anywhere in the world.

Follow this advice. If you are working for an American company bribery is a horrible idea and in a situation like this would likely be used to make a case against you. The only exceptions made for bribes is if you feel like your life may be in immediate danger, in which case you are supposed to report the incident immediately to your employer and the local embassy.

The other downside to bribery is if you have money, you become a real target as everyone will start harassing you in exchange for bribes.

Re: A Koch Executive’s Harassment in China Adds to Fears Among Visitors

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Post by RickJWagner »

bobjordan wrote: post #8

American living in China, here for 10 years now. Even before the current tensions, as an American visiting China, you'd be likely to feel like you've stepped into another planet on entering. China is just so utterly different, and if you are non-Asian, you attract a lot of Chinese eyeballs from everyone from young children to Grandpa's, as they are just generally curious about foreigners. Everyone openly refers to yo…

Thanks for sharing your experiences and first-hand knowledge.

I work with some Chinese employees of my global company, I have only been impressed with them. I have high hopes for global relations as time goes on.

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Post by Nullabillity »

joewee wrote: post #11
seieste wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t do this if you’re an American—it’s illegal to bribe anywhere in the world.

Follow this advice. If you are working for an American company bribery is a horrible idea and in a situation like this would likely be used to make a case against you. The only exceptions made for bribes is if you feel like your life may be in immediate danger, in which case you are supposed to report the incident immediately to your employer and the local embassy. The other downside to bribery is if you have money,…

Yet half of your economy seems to be built around it (tipping).

Re: A Koch Executive’s Harassment in China Adds to Fears Among Visitors

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Post by LocalH »

Nullabillity wrote: post #13
joewee wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow this advice. If you are working for an American company bribery is a horrible idea and in a situation like this would likely be used to make a case against you. The only exceptions made for bribes is if you feel like your life may be in immediate danger, in which case you are supposed to report the incident immediately to your employer and the local embassy. The other downside to bribery is if you have money,…

Yet half of your economy seems to be built around it (tipping).

The validity (or lack thereof) of tipping may be debatable, but it's not equivalent to bribery.

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Post by _iyig »

peterkelly wrote: post #7

Like how the CFO of Huawei has been detained in Canada since December of last year? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/05/tech/huawei-cfo-arrested-...

She was credibly accused of a crime. The Koch executive wasn’t formally accused of anything, according to the article, not that such formalities matter in a system such as China’s.

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Post by dang »

Nullabillity wrote: post #13
joewee wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow this advice. If you are working for an American company bribery is a horrible idea and in a situation like this would likely be used to make a case against you. The only exceptions made for bribes is if you feel like your life may be in immediate danger, in which case you are supposed to report the incident immediately to your employer and the local embassy. The other downside to bribery is if you have money,…

Yet half of your economy seems to be built around it (tipping).

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: A Koch Executive’s Harassment in China Adds to Fears Among Visitors

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Post by [deleted] »

_iyig wrote: post #15
peterkelly wrote: post #7

Like how the CFO of Huawei has been detained in Canada since December of last year? https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/05/tech/huawei-cfo-arrested-...

She was credibly accused of a crime. The Koch executive wasn’t formally accused of anything, according to the article, not that such formalities matter in a system such as China’s.

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Re: A Koch Executive’s Harassment in China Adds to Fears Among Visitors

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Post by rolltiide »

bobjordan wrote: post #8

American living in China, here for 10 years now. Even before the current tensions, as an American visiting China, you'd be likely to feel like you've stepped into another planet on entering. China is just so utterly different, and if you are non-Asian, you attract a lot of Chinese eyeballs from everyone from young children to Grandpa's, as they are just generally curious about foreigners. Everyone openly refers to yo…

It is hard for me to balance this reality with the general fear and paranoia Americans have about everything, especially in another country, especially when that other country is China.

I know your experience is the most likely, but telling people that they most likely wouldn't be subject to civil rights abuses that they think China is all about is almost akin to stepping on their ego.

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Post by chantelles »

bobjordan wrote: post #8

American living in China, here for 10 years now. Even before the current tensions, as an American visiting China, you'd be likely to feel like you've stepped into another planet on entering. China is just so utterly different, and if you are non-Asian, you attract a lot of Chinese eyeballs from everyone from young children to Grandpa's, as they are just generally curious about foreigners. Everyone openly refers to yo…

I lived in Taipei for a while - I am a white blonde woman - and everywhere I went kids yelled HEY WHITE LADY. It was, as you describe out of shock as there were few other white women there. I saw none in my time there. I have never felt so safe as I did there, and, because I am a woman, having people stare or comment was nothing new. What was new was that most of the attention was positive and coming from women and children who wanted to come and look at me up close. It was very instructive for me, especially upon return to Toronto. The white men I know who have traveled to Asia all complained/were shocked by the attention because they are not used to it. In this context, alongside the current trade/media-war going both ways, I expect more and more stories like this to counteract the stories of Chinese folks in America being treated differently, tho I would argue they are nothing the same.
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