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Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I prefer this verge link https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/11/20689983/apple-watch-walk... as techcrunch privacy settings are yahoo driven and I was never able to manage them - not sure they really give you an option

The Verge doesn’t give me, in the UK, any options to control my level of cookie acceptance. They offer me two policies to read an an accept button.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I have to say, I think it's great that Apple doesn't try to do damage control on their reputation, but instead does damage control toward the customer. They could've kept the service working, created a fix and silently pushed it, but they didn't.

It’s kind of sad that we live in a world where this behaviour is considered exceptional and something to be applauded, instead of being the normal way to do business, thanks to both morals and regulations with huge fines to control those who lack morals.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I prefer this verge link https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/11/20689983/apple-watch-walk... as techcrunch privacy settings are yahoo driven and I was never able to manage them - not sure they really give you an option

The Verge doesn’t give me, in the UK, any options to control my level of cookie acceptance. They offer me two policies to read an an accept button.

At least they don’t redirect the page so you can block the overlay with an ad blocker and be done.

Not saying this is OK (and definitely not compliant with the GDPR) but still slightly better.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I have to say, I think it's great that Apple doesn't try to do damage control on their reputation, but instead does damage control toward the customer. They could've kept the service working, created a fix and silently pushed it, but they didn't.

It’s kind of sad that we live in a world where this behaviour is considered exceptional and something to be applauded, instead of being the normal way to do business, thanks to both morals and regulations with huge fines to control those who lack morals.

Yeah, I fully agree. This was in the back of my mind while writing the previous comment too. It's also why think it's important to acknowledge it, since that might help people become aware that we're not doing things right.

Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR). It's not just the business that should be responsible, it's IT too, but we tend to use business demands as an excuse (see: Facebook).

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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what privacy setting? i never get that popup. techcrunch is ok imo. the verge on the other hand won’t load for 3 seconds if i have an ad-blocker turned on. so i stopped visiting it since their ads are 90s level of terrible.

This is all you see when clicking techcrunch articles: https://imgur.com/a/mId1Jfi If you "manage" your settings to block everything it'll just be back next time. As a consequence, I haven't read a techcrunch article since June 2018.

Interesting, I have never seen that and even tried in an Incognito tab and with Safari which I don't use regularly.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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what privacy setting? i never get that popup. techcrunch is ok imo. the verge on the other hand won’t load for 3 seconds if i have an ad-blocker turned on. so i stopped visiting it since their ads are 90s level of terrible.

This is all you see when clicking techcrunch articles: https://imgur.com/a/mId1Jfi If you "manage" your settings to block everything it'll just be back next time. As a consequence, I haven't read a techcrunch article since June 2018.

I don't know, I use an old browser with javascript disabled, and I seem to read techcrunch articles just fine.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s kind of sad that we live in a world where this behaviour is considered exceptional and something to be applauded, instead of being the normal way to do business, thanks to both morals and regulations with huge fines to control those who lack morals.

Yeah, I fully agree. This was in the back of my mind while writing the previous comment too. It's also why think it's important to acknowledge it, since that might help people become aware that we're not doing things right. Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR). It's not just the business th…

I’d like to add that job safety and the home that needs money brought to is also used as an excuse. People need to feel safer that they can act upon their morals and overcome whatever consequences arise. Friendships and family ties are one important ingredient for that. Sensible frugality another.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I have to say, I think it's great that Apple doesn't try to do damage control on their reputation, but instead does damage control toward the customer. They could've kept the service working, created a fix and silently pushed it, but they didn't.

It’s kind of sad that we live in a world where this behaviour is considered exceptional and something to be applauded, instead of being the normal way to do business, thanks to both morals and regulations with huge fines to control those who lack morals.

This is how they justify the existence of the App Store.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I fully agree. This was in the back of my mind while writing the previous comment too. It's also why think it's important to acknowledge it, since that might help people become aware that we're not doing things right. Only slightly related, but as a lead developer I've had some business people get angry, because I refused to build features that violated customer privacy (and GDPR). It's not just the business th…

I’d like to add that job safety and the home that needs money brought to is also used as an excuse. People need to feel safer that they can act upon their morals and overcome whatever consequences arise. Friendships and family ties are one important ingredient for that. Sensible frugality another.

Definitely true. I ended up quitting and moving to another job because of unreasonable demands like this. I do imagine though, that in SV, where data is considered the new gold, it must be a lot harder to find jobs at ethical companies.

Re: Apple disables Walkie Talkie app due to eavesdropping vulnerability

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I've found that it's pretty easy to get people to inadvertently accept FaceTime calls if you continuously spam them. (I was on the receiving end of this attack.) Here's how it works.

1- It's very easy and instantaneous to redial someone on FaceTime if they decline your call. You can just spam the call button and the target will get a continuous ring, basically.

2- Even if they turn on Do Not Disturb, many people have "Repeated Calls" enabled, which lets repeat FaceTime calls break through Do Not Disturb. Neat!

3- Now they are frustrated and want to throw their phone in a bucket of water to shut it up. The only way to block you is now to get your "info" in the recent callers list, scroll down and hit the "Block this caller" option. However the constant stream of incoming FaceTime calls takes over the UI every couple seconds.

As they fiddle with their phone trying to navigate to your info and/or hit decline, eventually they inadvertently hit accept, and you see their face.

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