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Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by fyfy18 »

anonygler wrote: post #10
danpalmer wrote: post #2

I’m quite far from the ongoing Go community discussions, but this seems to be a perfect example? > We’ve discusses this internally and decided... As one commenter on the PR points out, they’ve discussed it internally, now it’s time to discuss as a community, but this issue has still been closed. I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with…

Almost every sponsored project has internal discussions. Many sync from the internal source control to GitHub. Is it really realistic to make every chat with a colleague into a formal, public RFC?

I'd say in this case yes. In Go there have been a lot of complaints about Google leading the project in the direction they see fit, with zero input from the community. Often the community has complained and would prefer things done differently, but Google say it should be done their way and that's it.

The way this has been handled just reinforces that Go is not a community project, but a Google project that happens to be open sourced.

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

#12

Post by amerine »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #7
danpalmer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn't seem like much to ask for. As I said, I have on real opinion on this particular request. It's the culture that their response creates that is of concern to me. A better response may have been: "Thanks for the issue. We spent a long time talking about it and are sensitive to this concern, however it would be great to get more of an understanding of how the community…

Is "the community" also going to foot the multi-million dollar bill? Or does "the community" simple expect Google to give free money asking nothing in return?

That’s not the OPs point, at all. Nobody disagrees with or does not appreciate Google for their Go support, OP (rightly, imo) calls out that it’s a bit disingenuous to call it a “community” when “internal” continues to get thrown about on relation to language decisions.

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by mda »

anonygler wrote: post #9

This is overly snarky and should be closed for that alone. Google funded its development. OSS projects do this. React has Copyright Facebook, yet I don’t see snarky PRs about scrubbing their name. Maybe Google’s logo shouldn’t be colorful?

I agree I am surprised they bothered to answer kindly.

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by RobLach »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #4
danpalmer wrote: post #2

I’m quite far from the ongoing Go community discussions, but this seems to be a perfect example? > We’ve discusses this internally and decided... As one commenter on the PR points out, they’ve discussed it internally, now it’s time to discuss as a community, but this issue has still been closed. I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with…

> I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with Go and not involving the community, then they have to at least have these discussions. Google hires many Go developers, hosts all the infrastructure, etc. They've been spending millions of dollars a year for the last decade or so on the project. A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn'…

> A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn't seem like much to ask for.

"ask for" is not what's happening.

What's happening is that Google had a private discussion about it and determined the issue should be squashed before it would be discussed in the public.

To that effect, I feel the suggestion to remove Google's branding would actually be disingenuous as Google has complete control over Go and you should volunteer your time knowing that.

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by inflatableDodo »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #4
danpalmer wrote: post #2

I’m quite far from the ongoing Go community discussions, but this seems to be a perfect example? > We’ve discusses this internally and decided... As one commenter on the PR points out, they’ve discussed it internally, now it’s time to discuss as a community, but this issue has still been closed. I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with…

> I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with Go and not involving the community, then they have to at least have these discussions. Google hires many Go developers, hosts all the infrastructure, etc. They've been spending millions of dollars a year for the last decade or so on the project. A small logo at the bottom of the website doesn'…

>some people seem to see everything Google does as some plan for world domination

That would be foolish. At least some of the things that Google does are clearly just side-projects.

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by danpalmer »

anonygler wrote: post #10
danpalmer wrote: post #2

I’m quite far from the ongoing Go community discussions, but this seems to be a perfect example? > We’ve discusses this internally and decided... As one commenter on the PR points out, they’ve discussed it internally, now it’s time to discuss as a community, but this issue has still been closed. I don’t have an opinion on the actual topic here, but if Google don’t want to be perceived as doing whatever they like with…

Almost every sponsored project has internal discussions. Many sync from the internal source control to GitHub. Is it really realistic to make every chat with a colleague into a formal, public RFC?

> Is it really realistic to make every chat with a colleague into a formal, public RFC?

Maybe, maybe not, but when the community asks for a discussion about something, a response of "too late, we already decided behind closed doors" is not one that builds a culture of the project taking community involvement seriously.

Even if a decision has already been made in private, and will not be changed (which I feel is already somewhat missing the point of a community project), at least showing openness to those discussions, taking feedback, and tracking it in public is important to build the culture that is necessary to make projects succeed like this.

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

amerine wrote: post #12
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is "the community" also going to foot the multi-million dollar bill? Or does "the community" simple expect Google to give free money asking nothing in return?

That’s not the OPs point, at all. Nobody disagrees with or does not appreciate Google for their Go support, OP (rightly, imo) calls out that it’s a bit disingenuous to call it a “community” when “internal” continues to get thrown about on relation to language decisions.

A small logo in the bottom-right corner of the website is not a "language decision".

Re: Remove the Google logo from the Golang website

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Post by TurboHaskal »

anonygler wrote: post #9

This is overly snarky and should be closed for that alone. Google funded its development. OSS projects do this. React has Copyright Facebook, yet I don’t see snarky PRs about scrubbing their name. Maybe Google’s logo shouldn’t be colorful?

Can’t be a color issue since most gophers are colorblind.
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