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Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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This feels really short sighted, all for an increased annual payout to residents that won't cover the cost of sending students to higher education.

The way I heard it described, the annual payout will increase, where as that money now goes towards social programs primarily aimed at children and families. So while that money will be in citizen's pockets, it likely won't get spent in a manner that will benefit society long term.

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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> The people of Alaska asked for this Well, kind of. I know this is more of a meta-question about government and democracy, etc., but this was a unilateral action by one elected official: > Gov. Mike J. Dunleavy shocked the state last month by using a veto to cut much deeper, taking away $130 million more from the system that gave him his master’s degree.

If you vote for a budget hawk, he wins, and then he does budget hawk things, in my book, that's getting what you asked for. It's true that you don't get to choose the exact shape of what you are getting, but you do get to choose the general direction. The people know or should know that, and vote accordingly. It would be different if, for example, they voted for a tax and spend Democrat and then, when elected, that o…

145,000 people voted for this governor, 125,000 people voted for his opponent. Now all of those people are going to be impacted by these huge cuts to the university system. "They voted for this" ignores that many people voted against it and will be harmed nonetheless.

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Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…

> The people of Alaska asked for this Well, kind of. I know this is more of a meta-question about government and democracy, etc., but this was a unilateral action by one elected official: > Gov. Mike J. Dunleavy shocked the state last month by using a veto to cut much deeper, taking away $130 million more from the system that gave him his master’s degree.

Will he get re-elected?

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…

The problem is that the people who voted for this are adults, not the children who aren't old enough to vote but are the ones getting screwed by this.

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…

On problem with saying “that red state asked for it; let them see how they like it when their kids are starving on the streets (since they will also vote against welfare)” is that the US counts votes in a way that means, as more people flee your conservative hell-hole to find work, the remaining people’s votes count more and more. Demographic projections say that the senate will be controlled by Make no mistake about…

You talk as if this were an unforeseen consequence of the way our legislature is set up. It is not. Giving the people who live in sparsely populated areas an equal voice with those who live in densely populated areas is the whole point of the Senate. It was designed to work this way and it is doing exactly what it was meant to do.

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you vote for a budget hawk, he wins, and then he does budget hawk things, in my book, that's getting what you asked for. It's true that you don't get to choose the exact shape of what you are getting, but you do get to choose the general direction. The people know or should know that, and vote accordingly. It would be different if, for example, they voted for a tax and spend Democrat and then, when elected, that o…

145,000 people voted for this governor, 125,000 people voted for his opponent. Now all of those people are going to be impacted by these huge cuts to the university system. "They voted for this" ignores that many people voted against it and will be harmed nonetheless.

On the other hand, the 230,000 that didn't vote....

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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Perhaps this makes me a terrible person, but I sometimes half hope to see things like this go through. The people of Alaska asked for this, and it will be interesting to see if they like getting what they asked for. The main reason it's only "half-hope" rather than fully hoping is that the damage from this will still affect people who didn't vote in favor of it. Those kids at the university deserve a better education…

Unfortunately these institutions take a long time to build and a short time to destroy.

How will we know what changes take place in the health of an individual working in the various dangerous occupations common in Alaska (logging, fishing, oil, and mining) over the course of 10 years. It takes 10 years to find out!

How can workers demand payment for the true hazards they face if they don't know the hazards they face? Who benefits from ignorance?

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On problem with saying “that red state asked for it; let them see how they like it when their kids are starving on the streets (since they will also vote against welfare)” is that the US counts votes in a way that means, as more people flee your conservative hell-hole to find work, the remaining people’s votes count more and more. Demographic projections say that the senate will be controlled by Make no mistake about…

You talk as if this were an unforeseen consequence of the way our legislature is set up. It is not. Giving the people who live in sparsely populated areas an equal voice with those who live in densely populated areas is the whole point of the Senate. It was designed to work this way and it is doing exactly what it was meant to do.

Ironically enough, rural areas in Alaska vote blue and its the urban areas that vote red. So in this case it’s the urban area majority imposing their will on the less dense areas.

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On problem with saying “that red state asked for it; let them see how they like it when their kids are starving on the streets (since they will also vote against welfare)” is that the US counts votes in a way that means, as more people flee your conservative hell-hole to find work, the remaining people’s votes count more and more. Demographic projections say that the senate will be controlled by Make no mistake about…

You talk as if this were an unforeseen consequence of the way our legislature is set up. It is not. Giving the people who live in sparsely populated areas an equal voice with those who live in densely populated areas is the whole point of the Senate. It was designed to work this way and it is doing exactly what it was meant to do.

I don't think the disparity was expected and doubt the founders would conclude that sparsely populated states with very little economy should lead an entire branch. This is certainly not working.

Re: Blindsided by a Devastating Veto, Alaska University System Pleads for Lifeline

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post #15
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On problem with saying “that red state asked for it; let them see how they like it when their kids are starving on the streets (since they will also vote against welfare)” is that the US counts votes in a way that means, as more people flee your conservative hell-hole to find work, the remaining people’s votes count more and more. Demographic projections say that the senate will be controlled by Make no mistake about…

You talk as if this were an unforeseen consequence of the way our legislature is set up. It is not. Giving the people who live in sparsely populated areas an equal voice with those who live in densely populated areas is the whole point of the Senate. It was designed to work this way and it is doing exactly what it was meant to do.

But is the degree of inequality a foreseen consequence?

20% of citizens controlling 1/3 or 2/3 of the federal government is not a healthy republic, especially when the 20% have views that are so far from average. It's not like they're a representative 20%.

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