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There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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post #7

Not completely true. Some of the wealthiest people in the US are very progressive.

It really, extremely depends on how you define "progressive" and then you get to the left Vs right narrative which inspired this article. To oversimplify greatly to the point of banality, if rich person A says "I'll be on the left" and rich person B says "I'll be on the right", and both actively pump money into their respective campaigns, what do they have in common?

No true Scotsman right?

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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And it is the job of the oligarchs to use their resources (e.g. think tanks, regulatory capture, political parties, media empires, etc) to convince the rest that it's "right vs left".

This Chomsky quote comes to mind “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”. The sad part is that a lot of people seem to be addicted to the right vs left thinking. A while ago I listened to a radio interview with an author whose thesis was that modern philanthropists allow change only in a way that…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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There have been numerous articles and columns written about the dangers of rising populism in Europe, yet here is a respectable voice advocating populism as the solution for US. So which is it, the solution or a danger?

Did you misunderstand the whole article? It did not vouch for populism in the least.

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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There have been numerous articles and columns written about the dangers of rising populism in Europe, yet here is a respectable voice advocating populism as the solution for US. So which is it, the solution or a danger?

Obviously populism is the solution, but only if it’s on your side, otherwise it’s this nefarious out of control thing that perverts political systems and threatens democracy.

This author makes erroneous assertions along the way in support of their thesis. So I don’t think it holds much water.

Soros and the Kochs are some of the biggest political donors and influencers and while they donate massive amounts to progressive causes and libertarian values, they have very little interest in helping working class Americans.

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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There have been numerous articles and columns written about the dangers of rising populism in Europe, yet here is a respectable voice advocating populism as the solution for US. So which is it, the solution or a danger?

Obviously populism is the solution, but only if it’s on your side, otherwise it’s this nefarious out of control thing that perverts political systems and threatens democracy. This author makes erroneous assertions along the way in support of their thesis. So I don’t think it holds much water. Soros and the Kochs are some of the biggest political donors and influencers and while they donate massive amounts to progress…

All forms of government have a good form and a destructive form. Democracy is rule of the mob if it tramples individuals liberty. An incompetent, selfish king is a tyrant, a good king that serves society can be highly effective and create a great society. As with all things, it is balancing the extremes as the mean between competing needs or interests is often the best outcome.

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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Interestingly, the original definition of “left” and “right” came from the French Revolution where in the National Assembly the aristocracy sat on the right and everyone else sat on the left. That matches pretty closely to the oligarchy vs everyone else.

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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The true way of life is ensuring personal freedom. Any form of politics that involves taxes, regulations and social rules is simply another form of totalitarianism. States must be reduced and limited only to justice and national defense and let citizens follow their life projects. Since someone is awarded a title to spend the money of others, we already enter a left dynamic. The left will always sell you masked privileges in the form of rights. The right always sells you the basic anglosaxon conservative principles: life, liberty, property. It's up to you all to understand those differences.

Re: There is no 'right' vs. 'left': it is the oligarchs against the rest

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There have been numerous articles and columns written about the dangers of rising populism in Europe, yet here is a respectable voice advocating populism as the solution for US. So which is it, the solution or a danger?

Did you misunderstand the whole article? It did not vouch for populism in the least.

How so? Populism is by definition an ideologue of regular people against the elites. Or do you have your own definition of populism? Can I hear it?
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