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Re: SkySails

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It would be extremely ironic if this would be use by an oil tanker. Jokes aside, this is great, but it will never be the primary mode of propulsion since those tankers are on a timeline and you can't predict wind as much as a combustion engine.

If you can save up to 20% in fuel, you bet they would try it.

Re: SkySails

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It would be extremely ironic if this would be use by an oil tanker. Jokes aside, this is great, but it will never be the primary mode of propulsion since those tankers are on a timeline and you can't predict wind as much as a combustion engine.

If you can save up to 20% in fuel, you bet they would try it.

They won't, because the cost of fuel is passed to the shipper, not whoever owns the boat.

If shell owned and operated their own boats, maybe, but I haven't seen that.

Re: SkySails

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Kind of a dumb question but I'll ask anyway. If the wind is blowing in the exact same direction as the ship is travelling and you begin to retract the sail - do you recoup some of the energy you use during this retraction process through increased pulling power of the sail? Is the ship being pulled a little stronger during the retraction process or the exact same amount as if the line wasn't being retracted? Im imagi…

Newton's 3rd law. If you're applying a force to reel in the kite, that force is equally propelling you forward. Plus, the faster apparent air flow over the kite will produce more power, which is why sailboarders pump their sails while they race. In the real world, I've only ever pumped a kite like this to momentarily get some more energy into it to help with ram air inflation.

Re: SkySails

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can save up to 20% in fuel, you bet they would try it.

They won't, because the cost of fuel is passed to the shipper, not whoever owns the boat. If shell owned and operated their own boats, maybe, but I haven't seen that.

"Shell manages one of the largest fleets of oil/chemical tankers and liquefied natural gas (LNG) carriers in the world" https://www.shell.com/business-customers/trading-and-supply/...

Re: SkySails

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Related discussion [1] about using Rotor ships [2] and the Magnus effect [3] to reduce carbon emissions and shipping costs. IMHO a much more interesting tech/physics phenomenon :)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17885284

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotor_ship

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_effect

Re: SkySails

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the caveats at the bottom of the article -- the ship owner who has to make the capital investment doesn't pay for the fuel, so there's a perverse disincentive to invest in this technology (assuming it works).

Not really a disincentive, if the person paying the fuel could pay less it for it while using fleet X it would surely be a competitive advantage to the fleets owner. Perhaps the keyword in the quote is "untested", with a unwritten "why bother unless I have to / other owners do it".

Exactly. The key hurdle is getting the first ship fleet owner to invest in the technology. Once that's working, he'll have a competitive advantage offering renters lower fuel costs. He'll have some combination of higher booking rates or ability to charge higher prices, effectively splitting the gains

Re: SkySails

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This looks like an excellent idea but does anyone have the numbers? What kind of force could one expect from these? It got me thinking all kinds of electronic control systems to deploy/undeploy these.

"Totally computer operated by an automatic pod to maximise wind benefits, this kite is believed to generate a propulsion power of more than 2,000 kW (approx. 2,700 HP)"

2 megawatts. Tremendous amount of force.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can save up to 20% in fuel, you bet they would try it.

They won't, because the cost of fuel is passed to the shipper, not whoever owns the boat. If shell owned and operated their own boats, maybe, but I haven't seen that.

That's not how it works. Of course ultimately the customer pays for the fuel, but you order customers a lower price in order to gain business, making them choose you over your competitors.
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