I took multiple days to get my hackintosh running. The only reason I kept going was because I didn’t want to buy a MB that could break down anytime and take days to repair. I am glad they are finally switching the keyboard.
Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
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#12Touchbar: Needs to always be on Needs haptic feedback
Also: Either shorten it by one button and keep physical escape key, or move it up and return the entire half height function row.
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#13Great! Maybe next year I can finally get a new mbp :) I've been staying on 2013 mbp because of that but it's getting long in the tooth (plus affected by staingate but apparently too late for Apple to fix)
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#15If Apple couldn't fix it with two iterations there might be fundamental problems with the design. Good riddance.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
What’s wrong with the 2015? That’s the last good version of the keyboard IMO.
It's not as good as those on Thinkpads.
I much preferred the keyboard on my 2015 MBP to that on my 2018 Thinkpad. The newer Apples keyboards (including the wireless ones) are crap, I agree.
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#17Once I got used to the new keyboards, I actually far prefer them. Ditto with the TouchBar. Yeah, I'm a heretic I suppose.
Keyboard: pleasant clicky-ness and little movement required. Thin AF.
TouchBar: customized with BetterTouchTools to be a hybrid of my most often-used shortcuts (expand menu, alfred, fantastical, window management, and 1password on the left, notification center and lock screen on the right) and music controls with gestures in the middle: shows current track, can change volume, switch tracks, play/pause, mute, or tap into a submenu to pull up most frequent playlists and add current songs to my library. Way better than using the function keys of old.
Oh and the escape key… long remapped to caps lock. If I really need caps lock, fn + caps lock key toggles it.
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#18Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)
> Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops
I think they admitted something was wrong as soon as they created the replacement program, it's just they have been completely unwilling to alter their planned product schedule to fix it early. When they create a laptop design they expect to be able to ship the same basic chassis design for 3-4 years and in this design the keyboard and chassis are so entwined they're literally bolted together.
We're getting a new non-Pro design revision with it fixed right on schedule and the Pro isn't scheduled to redesign till next year so we get the fix then. Both these fixes could have been in the market 1-2 years ago if they company truly wanted it.
They just decided it either wasn't worth the money, or wasn't worth changing their cadence to fix it early. Just don't think they have much respect for their Mac customers anymore and know they'll stick around.
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#19Once I got used to the new keyboards, I actually far prefer them. Ditto with the TouchBar. Yeah, I'm a heretic I suppose. Keyboard: pleasant clicky-ness and little movement required. Thin AF. TouchBar: customized with BetterTouchTools to be a hybrid of my most often-used shortcuts (expand menu, alfred, fantastical, window management, and 1password on the left, notification center and lock screen on the right) and mus…
The problem that most people have is not with how it feels, it's how unreliable it is with buttons failing or missing keystrokes. Sometimes only caused by a spec of dust.
Getting used to the feeling of the flatter keyboard isn't really an issue for most people.
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#20Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)
In code the reason we don't do wholesale rewrites of complicated systems very often is because while there are bugs in the current system they're known quantities; going back to the drawing board and starting from scratch results in a newer, better, but unknown system with unknown bugs. That might be worse. It's a massive risk.
This is true for Apple's new keyboard too. We can't automatically assume it's better than the existing one, or that it has no issues. It's an unknown. For all we know a new keyboard might be even worse than the current one. Hopefully Apple will have learned from their mistakes but whether or not they've corrected all the problems or introduced new problems is something we can't know.
It's good that Apple appear to be listening and are trying to fix the problem (if that's the reason for the new keyboard) but I won't be rushing out to buy one for a while.