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Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

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Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

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post #6

I'm glad Freenode has a user base for work related stuff, but I man do I miss when Undernet or Dalnet was still popular. I know I'll never run into my mother on IRC, and it is probably because of the format.

I too miss the good old days of Undernet, where Romanian criminals would show off hacked systems, or DDOS other IRC users.

Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

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post #3

It seems that the author references different IRC clients but at the same time ignores (can't say if on purpose or not) the fact that there are also alternative Slack clients which address many of the pain points.

To stefan's point, Slack clients are unofficial and unsupported software built on top of proprietary protocols which are subject to change at any time according to the whims of a private company which has their bottom line at heart instead of your communication needs.

And even more so to the point, you can't self host slack and have absolute root level to the OS it's running on admin control. For somebody who knows what's they're doing it takes maybe 45 minutes to set up a basic ircd-hybrid daemon on Debian or centos.

Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

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post #7
post #3

It seems that the author references different IRC clients but at the same time ignores (can't say if on purpose or not) the fact that there are also alternative Slack clients which address many of the pain points.

The author references different IRC clients as being societal forces that tends to curtail adoption of certain features. The official Slack client sets the tone for usage there.

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Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

#14
post #3

It seems that the author references different IRC clients but at the same time ignores (can't say if on purpose or not) the fact that there are also alternative Slack clients which address many of the pain points.

To stefan's point, Slack clients are unofficial and unsupported software built on top of proprietary protocols which are subject to change at any time according to the whims of a private company which has their bottom line at heart instead of your communication needs.

I don't disagree with you on that - but that's not written in your post so my point still stands.

Many of the paint points are solved when using alternative clients. Alternative clients will allow you to, for example:

* Use Slack on an ancient computer

* Use TTS systems

* Not use threads (you can just dump everything in the channel)

* Not have link previews

* Use keyboard only

* Get a less distracting experience

I'm also an IRC user and I like it but I just wanted to point out the post isn't fair with Slack if only one client is evaluated.

Edit: list formatting

Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

#15
post #6

I'm glad Freenode has a user base for work related stuff, but I man do I miss when Undernet or Dalnet was still popular. I know I'll never run into my mother on IRC, and it is probably because of the format.

I too miss the good old days of Undernet, where Romanian criminals would show off hacked systems, or DDOS other IRC users.

I miss the wild west, sue me. My entire life wasn't on whatever system I was using, so it wouldn't have mattered if someone messed it up. I don't miss the hardware of the time, but at least the web wasn't sterilized and owned by a few companies.

Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

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post #3

It seems that the author references different IRC clients but at the same time ignores (can't say if on purpose or not) the fact that there are also alternative Slack clients which address many of the pain points.

To stefan's point, Slack clients are unofficial and unsupported software built on top of proprietary protocols which are subject to change at any time according to the whims of a private company which has their bottom line at heart instead of your communication needs.

So, I long for the days of the ITU when communications interoperability was mandatory, not optional.

Re: Absence of certain features in IRC considered a feature

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> IRC messages are always lines of characters terminated with a CR-LF (Carriage Return - Line Feed) pair, and these messages shall not exceed 512 characters in length, counting all characters including the trailing CR-LF. Thus, there are 510 characters maximum allowed for the command and its parameters.

Yeah, lets just forget how painful it was for non english speaking users to use IRC. 255 characters for unicode and 510, but you have to guess encoding.

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