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China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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If liberalism, democratic values, multilaterialism, cultural open-mindedness, and compromise aren't at the very forefront of the foreign policy of Western countries, then this is what they will have to look forward to in the next century and beyond. This is why projects like the EU, NATO, & NAFTA that require compromise for the sake of mutually beneficial cooperation should be supported. This is why continuing any po…

There is a bit of a problem considering that the organizations that you name are also in blatant violoation of the principles that you name. As the EU is growing, it has incorporated countries with not very strong liberal values, so liberalism may not have a majority in the decision making process. Also, the EU is a very non-democratic organization. The executive power of the countries ends up in the lawgiver seat when they go visit Brussels and the power of the European parliament pales in comparison to that. Also, it is very convenient for the large companies that they mostly can just lobby in Brussels instead of in every indivudal country. What the people want is in the mean time an unasked question.

Also, these trade agreements tend to come with 'intellectual property' agreements which is the government handing out monopolies to the large companies. Also, when trade is governed by treaties of 10000 pages length this is quite the opposite of free trade.

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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There was a parallel story in Denmark where the Danish police prevented free Tibet demonstrators demonstrating during the visit of the Chinese president in 2012. It led to an official inquiry but the trail ended blind where the leading police officers giving orders to detain the demonstrators could not remember where their instructions came from and the electronic paper trail had been deleted. To me the Danish story…

I've read similar stories about lost police documents. A public blockchain could be useful to prevent that.

how?

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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post #8

There was a parallel story in Denmark where the Danish police prevented free Tibet demonstrators demonstrating during the visit of the Chinese president in 2012. It led to an official inquiry but the trail ended blind where the leading police officers giving orders to detain the demonstrators could not remember where their instructions came from and the electronic paper trail had been deleted. To me the Danish story…

I've read similar stories about lost police documents. A public blockchain could be useful to prevent that.

A public anything would be helpful; you don’t need a blockchain because there’s a single publisher.

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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post #8

There was a parallel story in Denmark where the Danish police prevented free Tibet demonstrators demonstrating during the visit of the Chinese president in 2012. It led to an official inquiry but the trail ended blind where the leading police officers giving orders to detain the demonstrators could not remember where their instructions came from and the electronic paper trail had been deleted. To me the Danish story…

I've read similar stories about lost police documents. A public blockchain could be useful to prevent that.

Or, instead of blockchain, a simple API.

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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Coming from a free speech country I'm kinda curious about this. In the UK can they arrest you for peacefully protesting? I'm looking at the law the paper cites that he was arrested under[0][1]. 1) I'm ASTOUNDED that "insulting" was in there from 1986-2014. 2) This is extremely vague and seems like it could be used to arrest any protestor. > (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threa…

> I understand my neighbors across the pond may not feel that way and I'd be curious about their thoughts. Is this just an abuse of that law? Does that law also feel undemocratic? Other more nuanced position?

I'm from Europe, though not from the UK. That law feels abhorrent.

You'll often hear the claim that "other countries have a more nuanced view of free speech". It's certainly true free speech protections are weaker elsewhere, but using that to imply all the citizens agree with that is extremely misleading. Plenty of us subscribe to a more 1st Amendment style view on free speech.

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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> Police watchdog investigators then found evidence that the Met’s treatment of Shao, one of the last protesters in Tiananmen Square in 1989, was influenced by pressure from Beijing to ensure Xi was not “embarrassed” by protests during his visit. I'd say no countries dare to not please China. Blatantly attacks the people who risk their lives to say.

Canada upset China recently and China reacted by arresting some of our people for espionage and executing a suspected Canadian drug dealer. I imagine our next election will have some cyber attacks against the liberals but we’ll see

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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post #8

There was a parallel story in Denmark where the Danish police prevented free Tibet demonstrators demonstrating during the visit of the Chinese president in 2012. It led to an official inquiry but the trail ended blind where the leading police officers giving orders to detain the demonstrators could not remember where their instructions came from and the electronic paper trail had been deleted. To me the Danish story…

I've read similar stories about lost police documents. A public blockchain could be useful to prevent that.

Being able to lose the paper trail is a feature, not a bug, so a system like that would never be implemented.

The police exist to protect the property and station of those in power. It's why New York City was able to function without a police department until the 1840s while the New York Fire Department can trace its history back to the 1640s.

Re: China pressured London police to arrest Tiananmen protester, says watchdog

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post #8

There was a parallel story in Denmark where the Danish police prevented free Tibet demonstrators demonstrating during the visit of the Chinese president in 2012. It led to an official inquiry but the trail ended blind where the leading police officers giving orders to detain the demonstrators could not remember where their instructions came from and the electronic paper trail had been deleted. To me the Danish story…

I've read similar stories about lost police documents. A public blockchain could be useful to prevent that.

The issue was not the internal communication within the police. For that there was a complete paper trail. But the top police officers got their instructions from somewhere; probably high ranking civil servants, spin doctors or maybe even politicians in the then government. Those communications were gone.
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