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Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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"... This is all important. Being able to record the police is one of the best ways to ensure that the police are held accountable for their actions. ..."

It's not only Police. In the local news today it's "ticket inspectors" using unreasonable force: "Brouwer says too much force not the ticket" [0] ~ http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/brouwer-says-too-much-forc...

[0] The Age, Nick McKenzie 2010DEC22

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

I think I understand what the poster was talking about. I live in a decent neighborhood where it's mostly on street parking. The way my street sets up, even though it is a 2-way street it's mostly one way traffic. This leads to people parallel parking on both sides of the street while facing the same way (it's a fine to parallel park facing opposite of traffic). When I moved in over 18 months ago everyone was parked…

A friend of mine in college challenged his "wrong wheels to curb" ticket and got it summarily dismissed because the officer didn't want to bother.

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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I've always believed that it should be legal to audio and/or video record any government employee/contractor during the performance of their official duties (and I say that as a govt contractor). If we can't be accountable to the public, how can we expect to serve the public?

The Houston city government could probably save 30 or 40% on construction costs if someone could videotape the building sites and analyse the amount of work done.

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A lot is discussed about cops using racial profiling and targeting certain neighborhoods. I have a theory that there's another form of profiling that targets more affluent areas for traffic citations to bring in revenue. Is this a concern for anybody?

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

I got a fine once. Yeah, I was speeding: a 4 lane road with no turns and actual curbs, 35 mph. I was going at the speed of the rest of the traffic, 45mph.

They keep the speed limit like that and set up traps all the time. Laws != morals, and when the police are treated as a revenue center, it's bad.

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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Can anyone explain the argument against the legality/morality of videotaping a police officer performing their official duties?

Under certain circumstances I can see it as legitimate to protect officers from retaliation for doing their jobs.

Example: Police officers raid a [whatever] belonging to an organized crime syndicate. Some dude is standing by with a video camera as the officers carry the evidence to their cars. Two weeks later, every officer involved finds that his house has burned to the ground.

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "targets"? If people are fined for something they did, then it's not a problem. If they're going to be fined even though they're not guilty, they should be able to challenge it and go to court. Or is it a different situation?

I think I understand what the poster was talking about. I live in a decent neighborhood where it's mostly on street parking. The way my street sets up, even though it is a 2-way street it's mostly one way traffic. This leads to people parallel parking on both sides of the street while facing the same way (it's a fine to parallel park facing opposite of traffic). When I moved in over 18 months ago everyone was parked…

That is something I don't really agree with. Maybe they didn't patrol that area, maybe they didn't have enough people, maybe for some other reason...

Anyways, you know you can get a fine for parking the wrong way, yet you did it. If you said you don't agree with that rule, I might concur. What exactly did they do wrong? I hope that since then everyone is parking correctly. Isn't that the whole point of fining people?

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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"... This is all important. Being able to record the police is one of the best ways to ensure that the police are held accountable for their actions. ..." It's not only Police. In the local news today it's "ticket inspectors" using unreasonable force: "Brouwer says too much force not the ticket" [0] ~ http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/brouwer-says-too-much-forc... [0] The Age, Nick McKenzie 2010DEC22

Shrug. It's the job of ticket inspectors to make sure people aren't travelling without tickets. If you're travelling without a ticket, it's their job to give you a fine. They need to have certain powers if they're gonna do their job properly, which includes the power to apprehend people who try to run away from them. So reasonable force from a ticket inspector is perfectly justified. And of course anyone on the receiving end of force will usually wind up complaining that it was unreasonable.

Don't wanna get tackled by a ticket inspector? Buy a ticket. Or if you don't buy a ticket, fess up and accept your fine.

Re: Schneier on Security: Recording the Police

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I've always believed that it should be legal to audio and/or video record any government employee/contractor during the performance of their official duties (and I say that as a govt contractor). If we can't be accountable to the public, how can we expect to serve the public?

OK, please send me your address so I can set up a camera in your office.
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