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US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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The efficacy of this as a deterrent seems to depend on the notion that India would like its citizens to be able to obtain H1 visas from the US. Is that the case?

I wouldn't think India would be much deterred by the move. Those workers represent a very small drop in a very large bucket. An extra 50,000 Indian workers seeking work in India instead of the US (or in some other non-US country) is practically nothing.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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The efficacy of this as a deterrent seems to depend on the notion that India would like its citizens to be able to obtain H1 visas from the US. Is that the case?

Yes and no.

Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for India.

No, because for many decades, India has been trying to keep their smartest citizens to build their own country. Making local companies, serving at local hospitals, teaching at local schools and universities. They want their own Google, Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Adobe instead of Indian citizens working in the US for US corporations. They were just unsuccessful for so many years because countries like US drained the well-educated so much.

Ultimately, this will be a great deal for India. India doesn't want remittances. They want their own companies to make software that the world wants to buy.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Pompeo said the Trump administration would push for free flow of data across borders, not just to help U.S. companies but also to secure consumers’ privacy. How does 'free flow of data across borders' help secure consumers' privacy? Setting caps on H1Bs is the US governments prerogative though this will have adverse impact on US-India relationship.

> How does 'free flow of data across borders' help secure consumers' privacy? This is not about consumer privacy. This is about corporate profit. Visa, Mastercard and other US banks want to maintain fewer datacenters around the world. They already have them in the US (because US law) and they possibly also feed that data to US govt. With such localization laws, US corporations are having to invest in other countries.…

Maintaining foreign data centers isn't really an issue for large companies. All cloud providers already support various data residency and compliance requirements. Companies are happy to follow these laws if it means more business for them.

It is the US government which has a problem because it wants direct access to data from foreign countries & corporations. In fact Microsoft was involved in a very long legal battle with them over it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._United_Stat....

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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post #12
post #7

The efficacy of this as a deterrent seems to depend on the notion that India would like its citizens to be able to obtain H1 visas from the US. Is that the case?

Yes and no. Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for India. No, because for many decades, India has been trying to keep their smartest citizens to build their own country. Making local companies, serving at local hospitals, teaching at local schools and universities. They want their own Google, Microsoft, Sun Mic…

Help me understand the first part. Why do you need a US visa (well, THAT visa - I understand a 'fly over for a meeting' visiting visa) as an outsourcing company?

What I mean is: How are the outsourcing companies affected by this?

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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post #12
post #7

The efficacy of this as a deterrent seems to depend on the notion that India would like its citizens to be able to obtain H1 visas from the US. Is that the case?

Yes and no. Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for India. No, because for many decades, India has been trying to keep their smartest citizens to build their own country. Making local companies, serving at local hospitals, teaching at local schools and universities. They want their own Google, Microsoft, Sun Mic…

Putting arbitrary caps on visas isn't a great way to do this though. A lot of startups in India are founded & staffed by Indian folks who got their experience, capital and connections working in the US.

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if free flow of data across countries helps in privacy then HIPAA should not have rule that healthcare data of US citizens need not be stored only in US. Will USGOV relax that norm ? the Indian govt rules are about storing financial data within the country and not gmail data.

Huh. Why did they not include communication (Gmail) data?

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for India. No, because for many decades, India has been trying to keep their smartest citizens to build their own country. Making local companies, serving at local hospitals, teaching at local schools and universities. They want their own Google, Microsoft, Sun Mic…

Help me understand the first part. Why do you need a US visa (well, THAT visa - I understand a 'fly over for a meeting' visiting visa) as an outsourcing company? What I mean is: How are the outsourcing companies affected by this?

A lot of these companies routinely send workers 'onsite' to US offices.

Likewise, many employees at big cos who are actually 'vendors' are employees of outsourcing companies working at offices located in America.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Yes, because it directly affects the business of large outsourcing companies. It also drops remittances, one of the largest sources of dollars for India. No, because for many decades, India has been trying to keep their smartest citizens to build their own country. Making local companies, serving at local hospitals, teaching at local schools and universities. They want their own Google, Microsoft, Sun Mic…

Help me understand the first part. Why do you need a US visa (well, THAT visa - I understand a 'fly over for a meeting' visiting visa) as an outsourcing company? What I mean is: How are the outsourcing companies affected by this?

Many if not most outsourcing gigs require some people on the ground in the US to drum up new business, liaise with the customer, fulfill compliance requirements ("work must be done in US"), etc.

Re: US tells India it is mulling caps on H1Bs to deter data rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Help me understand the first part. Why do you need a US visa (well, THAT visa - I understand a 'fly over for a meeting' visiting visa) as an outsourcing company? What I mean is: How are the outsourcing companies affected by this?

A lot of these companies routinely send workers 'onsite' to US offices. Likewise, many employees at big cos who are actually 'vendors' are employees of outsourcing companies working at offices located in America.

Yeah, but as it was pointed out -- it could be done by a 6 month visit visa and still the payment comes through at the site in India. So technically the employee could be working for the outsourced outlet and there should be no requirement of a work visa.
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