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We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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On the flipside, this app looks like it was kind of a hack to get working. "Tunnel all of your traffic through our VPN to get tracking of social media use." It doesn't surprise me that Apple would want to offer first-party support.

Apple could have just offered the app usage API, because it was obvioulsly lacking.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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I know lots of people on HN aren’t a fan of patents- either because of patent trolls or because they believe that patents harm FOSS. So knowing that, I expect a few people to disagree with what I say.

This is exactly what patents are supposed to protect you from. If you have a good idea, then file a patent and protect yourself. If it’s worth $500k per year then it’s worth having a patent lawyer help you do it right. Get the core stuff patented, not just the fluff. This way Apple can’t just pull your livelihood from you.

If you tried to patent your idea and it wasn’t patentable, then it’s probably not really your idea, and you can’t feel bad when Apple steals something that isn’t yours.

But you have to do this sooner rather than later. If you wait until your app has become a feature in iOS then it’s too late.

Want proof that patents are necessary? Just look at how many patents that Apple, Samsung, SpaceX, etc. have.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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post #3

On the flipside, this app looks like it was kind of a hack to get working. "Tunnel all of your traffic through our VPN to get tracking of social media use." It doesn't surprise me that Apple would want to offer first-party support.

Agree with the sentiment here. Whilst I have all the deepest sympathies for the guy, it does seem like a hack to tunnel it through a VPN to get it working. One could argue, the right approach would be if Apple opened up the hooks to measuring app usage for any 3rd party app, but I don’t think that will happen any time soon.

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Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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As an end user, am I happy that Apple took your idea and built it in the OS, stripped of ads, premium features, tracking and analytics, etc? Yes, yes I am.

You sound like a pleasant person.

Is his argument wrong, though? It's unclear why we should automatically feel sympathy for the author.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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post #3

On the flipside, this app looks like it was kind of a hack to get working. "Tunnel all of your traffic through our VPN to get tracking of social media use." It doesn't surprise me that Apple would want to offer first-party support.

Yep, it didn't seem like a viable business model. It's also a major security concern since it's not specifically selling a VPN solution, so the laymen user might not comprehend how the app works despite the app attempting to inform the user. I personally think it's naive to claim Apple copied their idea, since this was already something iOS and Android had support for from their related power management stats tracker.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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This story has been repeated time and again. There is even a term, 'getting Sherlocked'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_(software)#Sherlocked...

The damning part to me is not so much that Apple copied it, but that they copied it, then removed their competitor from the app store.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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post #3

On the flipside, this app looks like it was kind of a hack to get working. "Tunnel all of your traffic through our VPN to get tracking of social media use." It doesn't surprise me that Apple would want to offer first-party support.

I'm not 100% committed to this idea, but VPNs all offer some trade-off between value and security, right? And, it seems weird that Apple, the company that continually finger points at Google and Facebook as invasive of privacy, would not support user choice here.

Their OS should permit VPNs and businesses running through VPNs, or they are in many ways doing the same thing that Google is doing with its changes to Chrome that break ad-blockers. In other words, they are removing options for users that want to have insight and control into their Internet usage.

Re: We launched an app with $500k annual revenue, and then Apple copied it

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May I say the title should be taken with a grain of salt. From the article:

> A month before being removed from the App Store, the app raked in ~$45,000 in revenue. This means the product was operating at a $500,000 annual run rate.

It's an extrapolation, from the first month.

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