They don’t really own the lyrics in any case. In traditional publishing you would have to pay the original artist to reproduce the lyrics, as you have to do for poems and other lyrical works.
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#12They don’t really own the lyrics in any case. In traditional publishing you would have to pay the original artist to reproduce the lyrics, as you have to do for poems and other lyrical works.
They were forced to pay royalties, so should others incl Google.
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#131) Extremely recent Repost https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20194952 2) I find it extremely aggravating how needlessly accusatory the title is. It presumes guilt when its still technically an accusation
Hacker news isn’t a criminal trial.
The presumption of innocence is supposed to be a shared value of western culture, of which the WSJ is part of. Unfortunately we all know the narrative they're trying to frame here.
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#14I hope Google delists them so they go fuck themselves. azlyrics is SO MUCH better. I'd rather see them at the top instead of Genius.
For pure lyrics viewing azlyrics might be better (I don't think so), but Genius is so much more than just raw lyrics. I love the comments / interpretations by other users.
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#15> Starting around 2016, Genius said, the company made a subtle change to some of the songs on its website, alternating the lyrics’ apostrophes between straight and curly single-quote marks in exactly the same sequence for every song. > When the two types of apostrophes were converted to the dots and dashes used in Morse code, they spelled out the words “Red Handed.” Clever. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…
See also: https://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying...
Buried at the bottom of that article is Bing's response explaining that they _do not_ in fact copy Google:
https://searchengineland.com/bing-why-googles-wrong-in-its-a...
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#16> Starting around 2016, Genius said, the company made a subtle change to some of the songs on its website, alternating the lyrics’ apostrophes between straight and curly single-quote marks in exactly the same sequence for every song. > When the two types of apostrophes were converted to the dots and dashes used in Morse code, they spelled out the words “Red Handed.” Clever. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…
It’s indeed a lot more likely that LyricFind, from whom Google buys the content, scrapes the lyrics.
Why risk showing stolen content when you are already paying for them?
I understand that Genius focuses on Google though. That makes the story a lot more interesting for publications like WSJ that have a bit of a anti-Google campaign going on.
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#17Ironic that genius scraped other lyrics sites to bootstrap their business. Cute analysis can’t hide the basic hypocrisy here.
I feel it's pretty typical for some of these companies who like to complain about other's unethical practices. Strongly reminds me of Crunchyroll.
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#18I hope Google delists them so they go fuck themselves. azlyrics is SO MUCH better. I'd rather see them at the top instead of Genius.
Then they would likely get a pretty clear anti competitive lawsuit on them.
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#19Anyone here remember lyrics.ch and their inevitable takedown?
The copyright situation is not complicated; lyric copyright resides with the songwriter, and is usually sublicensed exclusively to the publisher. Like Napsterisation, these were forced open by hugely widespread infringement, and eventually a stalemate has been reached between publishers and the internet.
Like youtube, this will result in lots of weird anomalies where ownership is disputed and the publishers claim all sorts of things they're not technically entitled to.
Like a lot of other things, the publisher may never have made a clean official copy of the lyrics available, so the actual compilation is done by third parties - but that doesn't grant them a formal copyright in that work. (Unless the weird sui generis right of databases comes into play)
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#20> Starting around 2016, Genius said, the company made a subtle change to some of the songs on its website, alternating the lyrics’ apostrophes between straight and curly single-quote marks in exactly the same sequence for every song. > When the two types of apostrophes were converted to the dots and dashes used in Morse code, they spelled out the words “Red Handed.” Clever. Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…
It’s indeed a lot more likely that LyricFind, from whom Google buys the content, scrapes the lyrics. Why risk showing stolen content when you are already paying for them? I understand that Genius focuses on Google though. That makes the story a lot more interesting for publications like WSJ that have a bit of a anti-Google campaign going on.
WSJ had a focus on Google and NYTimes has Facebook in the crosshair.