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No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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There are shadow power structures, but I don't think you are correct that they are necessarily hierarchical.

Isn't hierarchy intrinsic to power?

What's the hierarchical ordering of Congress, SCOTUS, and the White House?

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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Assuming whatever you're trying to do is a good idea, my method is to just write a "heads-up"-type message and just go for it.

For example, "I'm going to do foo. If anyone has any concerns or anything, please let me know". This covers your ass, provides a discussion/feedback area, and lets you actually get things done without a lengthy bike-shedding process.

One important lesson I have learned in my career is that fortune favors the bold.

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

#13
While I'm very much in favour of reminding everyone of Tyranny of Structurelessness and shadow hierarchies, the article is referring to a more IETF-like situation of voluntary collaboration. Here there are other sorts of shadow hierachy:

- Postel decentralisation: it used to be the case that a lot of important internet functionality was run through one person. Less so these days, but there will still be critical individuals.

- Fait accompli. This is really apparent in browsers, where the W3C inevitably lags actual practice and features tend to be introduced by deploying first and standardising later.

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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post #11
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't hierarchy intrinsic to power?

What's the hierarchical ordering of Congress, SCOTUS, and the White House?

There are very clear hierarchies in Congress (Speaker/Majority Leader, Majority Whip, Committee Chairs) and White House (President, Vice President, Cabinet). There is no power structure in SCOTUS: each of the justices is equal and has nobody to answer to.

There are likely shadow organizations in the Congress and White House with their own (unpublished) hierarchy, but probably not in the SCOTUS due to its size and the implicit potency inherent in being a Justice.

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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post #11
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't hierarchy intrinsic to power?

What's the hierarchical ordering of Congress, SCOTUS, and the White House?

SCOTUS > White House > Congress but I get your point.

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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post #11
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't hierarchy intrinsic to power?

What's the hierarchical ordering of Congress, SCOTUS, and the White House?

The President appoints SCOTUS, so has the final say there. The critical fight was done by FDR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bil...

Congress and President have, as I understand it, a mutual veto - but in the case where both are controlled by the same party, they tend to defer to the party organisation, which in turn defers to the President. Where they don't, you get shutdowns.

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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Rough consensus is a really naive solution to making decisions. Being in a flat structure doesn't change the fact that different people have different requirements.

Just because you have more people "agreeing" to one particular idea doesn't make it the right idea.

Re: No Kings: How Do You Make Good Decisions Efficiently in a Flat Organization?

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My hope is that you can begin by dropping concerns over efficiency.

For that matter, an slight inverse of the headline is way more important, to my mind. Avoid slowly making bad decisions. An easy way to help there, is to not turn every decision into a debate.

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