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I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#11
Recently used e-scooters while visiting Detroit. They were hit or miss and hard to find a handful that actually worked (charged, maint., etc) near each other. However, when they did work, it was a pleasant experience.

While it was interesting, I can't say that I'd prefer it over walking or public transportation. Also, South Park definitely nailed it.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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post #4

This is the first I've heard of people tampering with the brake systems - it's incredibly malicious. I understand some people might be frustrated by the scooters, but is manslaughter really the right way to go about it?

Yeah, having ridden Birds around Paris at 25 km/h without ever considering this (I think they had lever brakes with cables too), this is terrifying. People are crazy.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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post #4

This is the first I've heard of people tampering with the brake systems - it's incredibly malicious. I understand some people might be frustrated by the scooters, but is manslaughter really the right way to go about it?

Someone detached my brake cables on my bike locked right next to a hill that lead to the busiest road in the area. I noticed before I even got on the bike, but come on people.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#15

Seems like the main flaw in the ones the author labeled "awful" was a geofence policy that limited the top speed on a "bike path", or locked them out of it altogether. Makes it a bit difficult to generalize their conclusions, especially without knowing more about the path to be able to judge whether that policy is reasonable (and/or mandated by the city).

The Venice beach bike path is a "standard" mixed-use path. Wide enough for bikes to pass in opposite directions - total width is a bit wider than a full size pick-up truck. It's fairly twisty and bordered by sand on both sides, so if you run over the edge, you probably fall on your face.

As for appropriate speeds, a jog is about 5mph. That sounds reasonable and safe for a small-wheeled scooter. A townie/cruiser bicycle will do 10mph without too much effort, so that could be the upper bound too. Much faster with those small wheels seems dangerous regardless of location.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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post #10

> We’ve restricted our entrants to scooter-type vehicles (as opposed to e-assist bicycles) And then the conclusion is that the most bicycle-like one is best because it's more bicycle-like. Seems like a category arbitrage rather than a fair analysis of mobility options.

> And then the conclusion is that the most bicycle-like one is best because it's more bicycle-like. Seems like a category arbitrage rather than a fair analysis of mobility options.

And refusing to take bike paths with not-a-bike is apparently eliminatory rather than making the device shoot up to the top of the ranking.

Give the article opens up with

> they want the rights of a pedestrian, the rights of a bicycle, and the rights of a car, all at the same time, which is an incredibly dangerous mindset.

that'd be hilarious if it weren't so maddeningly lacking in self-awareness.

Also

> And it has Bluetooth speakers, so you can play your music from the bike itself, freeing you from having to dangerously (and in Santa Monica, illegally) ride on the street wearing headphones.

fucking great, because if there's one thing I want more than an electric moped doing 30km/h on a bike path, it's that moped blaring shit music.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#17
post #10

> We’ve restricted our entrants to scooter-type vehicles (as opposed to e-assist bicycles) And then the conclusion is that the most bicycle-like one is best because it's more bicycle-like. Seems like a category arbitrage rather than a fair analysis of mobility options.

There were multiple fair metrics given for it being the best.

Maybe it means scooters aren't the ideal form-factor for this service.

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#18
So the #1 scooter is not a scooter?

Also, some cities are banning those pedestrian focused areas. In Austin, they banned ebikes and scooters from our waterfront area that has a 10 mile walkway around it.

I ride scooters in austin, tx every weekend. Its half as cheap as a lyft and there are lots of competitors. Here’s my top two:

1. Bird - cheaper per mile and pretty reliable

2. Lime - often faster than the others, but more expensive and sometimes have minor defects (braking issues, throttle delay, etc)

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

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post #10

> We’ve restricted our entrants to scooter-type vehicles (as opposed to e-assist bicycles) And then the conclusion is that the most bicycle-like one is best because it's more bicycle-like. Seems like a category arbitrage rather than a fair analysis of mobility options.

I regularly ride my e-bike in SF but have also dabbled with the rental scooters. I have a hard time understanding the scooters' popularity, compared to a rentable e-bike like the Jump or Lime bikes. In my experience e-bikes have the advantage in top speed, stability, comfort and safety. Other than taking up marginally more space when parked, I can't think of any downsides. This matches the article author's conclusion. Can anyone explain to me what I'm missing?

Re: I rode all the e-scooters, and most of them are awful except two

#20
During the single day of this test, I found three Wheels with intentionally cut brake lines

WTF is wrong with people? I understand these things are annoying and litter sidewalks, but intentionally cutting brakes to harm someone? Jeez, this is just shitty behavior

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