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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#11

They don't have options like "Never allow" or "Provide fake location". Why is that so?

You can disable any app's location access from the iOS settings, it's fairly trivial.

As for fake location, well, give it time. They seem to be willing to provide fake emails for the new Sign In With Apple service. So they might start actually obfuscating location in the future.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#12

They don't have options like "Never allow" or "Provide fake location". Why is that so?

You can disable any app's location access from the iOS settings, it's fairly trivial. As for fake location, well, give it time. They seem to be willing to provide fake emails for the new Sign In With Apple service. So they might start actually obfuscating location in the future.

Fake location is necessary because apps may annoy users with popups until you grant the permission or give some benefits in exchange for location.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can disable any app's location access from the iOS settings, it's fairly trivial. As for fake location, well, give it time. They seem to be willing to provide fake emails for the new Sign In With Apple service. So they might start actually obfuscating location in the future.

Fake location is necessary because apps may annoy users with popups until you grant the permission or give some benefits in exchange for location.

The prompts are from iOS itself, not the apps.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#14
post #8

They don't have options like "Never allow" or "Provide fake location". Why is that so?

"Never allow" already exists. The user can deny location access when it is first requested, or can disable location access through Settings. "Provide fake location" is not necessary, because apps which fail to work when you deny location access are rejected during App Store review.

What if the app works without location, but gives some benefits only if you enable it? E.g. a shop app gives a discount if you allow tracking you.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#15

They don't have options like "Never allow" or "Provide fake location". Why is that so?

You can disable any app's location access from the iOS settings, it's fairly trivial. As for fake location, well, give it time. They seem to be willing to provide fake emails for the new Sign In With Apple service. So they might start actually obfuscating location in the future.

They're aren't providing fake emails, they are providing masked emails. A fake location is a step or two beyond that, it's active deception.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#16
I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to.

On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair" movement all have to misrepresent what Apple is doing or why they're taking the action they are in order to make the story interesting and fit the anti-consumer narrative. We live in a really strange time.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#17
post #8

They don't have options like "Never allow" or "Provide fake location". Why is that so?

"Never allow" already exists. The user can deny location access when it is first requested, or can disable location access through Settings. "Provide fake location" is not necessary, because apps which fail to work when you deny location access are rejected during App Store review.

Well Pokemon Go basically doesn't work without location and it wasn't rejected.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#18
It seems a bit extreme to offer apps one of two extremes: either my sub-metre location or no location at all. It seems the reasonable default for location sharing should be something like sharing the rough suburb that I'm in. This solves most use-cases such as showing closest store locations, delivery options, dating apps showing nearby matches, etc. It's only the occasional navigation app that needs to know exactly where the user is located.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#19

It seems a bit extreme to offer apps one of two extremes: either my sub-metre location or no location at all. It seems the reasonable default for location sharing should be something like sharing the rough suburb that I'm in. This solves most use-cases such as showing closest store locations, delivery options, dating apps showing nearby matches, etc. It's only the occasional navigation app that needs to know exactly…

That’s why iOS 13 added a share location once button, in addition to the existing share forever and share forever even when the app isn’t running.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#20

It seems a bit extreme to offer apps one of two extremes: either my sub-metre location or no location at all. It seems the reasonable default for location sharing should be something like sharing the rough suburb that I'm in. This solves most use-cases such as showing closest store locations, delivery options, dating apps showing nearby matches, etc. It's only the occasional navigation app that needs to know exactly…

underrated idea! This is a great idea, and easy to implement.
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