Maybe it was a Deep fake video?
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Could you please stop posting political battle-style comments to HN? This site is for intellectual curiosity, not that.
Journalists claim North Korean official was “purged”, then he shows up on TV
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North Korea kills dissidents all the time. We were wrong on this one, but there were plenty others we weren't wrong on. It's hard to be right when NK controls all media; we have to make guesses to get through their bullshit. NK does not want peace FYI, and they are quite clear about it. They returned a US prisoner back to us recently, and he had been tortured to the point of being braindead.
> They returned a US prisoner back to us recently, and he had been tortured to the point of being braindead.
There was an assumption he was tortured, but the coroner's report couldn't confirm his cause of death. Why would you state he had been tortured without any proof?
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> "North Korea Executed Envoy Over Trump-Kim Summit, Chosun Reports" That Bloomberg headline is itself egregious. Who is Chosun? That Chosun Ilbo is a right wing propaganda tabloid with a reputation for making shit up should have been mentioned in that headline. 'Headlines that seem plausible with details hinting at fabrication in the article' is a bad formula and deserves to be criticized. In fact, Chosun Ilbo's rep…
> 'Headlines that seem plausible with details hinting at fabrication in the article' is a bad formula and deserves to be criticized. Readers need to read more than headlines, and newspapers shouldn't censor things as if they don't. > In fact, Chosun Ilbo's reputation should have prevented the story from being republished by western media at all. No, that's just your opinion, which other people are free to disagree wi…
I just came here to say: Fuck The New York Times.
Re: Journalists claim North Korean official was “purged”, then he shows up on TV
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "North Korea Executed Envoy Over Trump-Kim Summit, Chosun Reports" That Bloomberg headline is itself egregious. Who is Chosun? That Chosun Ilbo is a right wing propaganda tabloid with a reputation for making shit up should have been mentioned in that headline. 'Headlines that seem plausible with details hinting at fabrication in the article' is a bad formula and deserves to be criticized. In fact, Chosun Ilbo's rep…
> 'Headlines that seem plausible with details hinting at fabrication in the article' is a bad formula and deserves to be criticized. Readers need to read more than headlines, and newspapers shouldn't censor things as if they don't. > In fact, Chosun Ilbo's reputation should have prevented the story from being republished by western media at all. No, that's just your opinion, which other people are free to disagree wi…
> "Readers need to read more than headlines,"
They should, but they don't. They know that and you know that. Knowing that, it's irresponsible to publish headlines that are misleading when taken in isolation.
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North Korea kills dissidents all the time. We were wrong on this one, but there were plenty others we weren't wrong on. It's hard to be right when NK controls all media; we have to make guesses to get through their bullshit. NK does not want peace FYI, and they are quite clear about it. They returned a US prisoner back to us recently, and he had been tortured to the point of being braindead.
> They returned a US prisoner back to us recently, and he had been tortured to the point of being braindead. There was an assumption he was tortured, but the coroner's report couldn't confirm his cause of death. Why would you state he had been tortured without any proof?
When he was released, the North Koreans also sent over MRI scan data they'd taken of his brain. By all accounts he was missing substantial brain tissue, which is consistent with loss of blood to the brain. It's not known what caused that. There wasn't any apparent damage to his neck or skull. The North Koreans claim botulism did it, which certainly isn't impossible but neither is there any evidence for it. He may also have been waterboarded incompetently, causing him to nearly drown for real. That would explain the lack of apparent skull or neck injuries, and also the brain damage.
> "Why would you state he had been tortured without any proof?"
Proof? Proofs are for mathematics. In the real world we always deal with uncertainties. Is it certain that the North Koreans torture prisoners? No. But is it a likely enough possibility that we shouldn't bite our tongues and not comment on that likelihood? Of course. There is a lot of evidence for North Korea torturing people in the past, and there isn't a lot of reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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> 'Headlines that seem plausible with details hinting at fabrication in the article' is a bad formula and deserves to be criticized. Readers need to read more than headlines, and newspapers shouldn't censor things as if they don't. > In fact, Chosun Ilbo's reputation should have prevented the story from being republished by western media at all. No, that's just your opinion, which other people are free to disagree wi…
> "Readers need to read more than headlines," They should, but they don't. They know that and you know that. Knowing that, it's irresponsible to publish headlines that are misleading when taken in isolation.
> They know that and you know that. Knowing that, it's irresponsible to publish headlines that are misleading when taken in isolation.
They made reasonable editorial decisions that you and thegrayzone.com disagree with, that's all. They weren't irresponsible nor were they misleading.
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> "Readers need to read more than headlines," They should, but they don't. They know that and you know that. Knowing that, it's irresponsible to publish headlines that are misleading when taken in isolation.
> They know that and you know that. Knowing that, it's irresponsible to publish headlines that are misleading when taken in isolation. They made reasonable editorial decisions that you and thegrayzone.com disagree with, that's all. They weren't irresponsible nor were they misleading.
In reading some of the other articles from the source link, the site makes some fairly large claims based on thin evidence and appears pretty anti American and pro Russian propaganda. I'm not sure the sure can claim to not be guilty of the very same thing it is claiming others are guilty of.
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North Korea kills dissidents all the time. We were wrong on this one, but there were plenty others we weren't wrong on. It's hard to be right when NK controls all media; we have to make guesses to get through their bullshit. NK does not want peace FYI, and they are quite clear about it. They returned a US prisoner back to us recently, and he had been tortured to the point of being braindead.
> They returned a US prisoner back to us recently, and he had been tortured to the point of being braindead. There was an assumption he was tortured, but the coroner's report couldn't confirm his cause of death. Why would you state he had been tortured without any proof?
It's not an "assumption", it's supported by evidence and SMEs. Like I said, we have to use our brains and actually think about things instead of taking NK's word for everything.