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Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.
If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
... this is all because IEEE is under US jurisdiction, not Swiss
Could you explain how hard is to move IEEE outside the US?
The hard thing could be any trusts or past agreements IEEE has made that depend on US law. Like they could create a swiss organization, but could they legally move certain forms of existing funds to what techically is a seperate organization. Like really only the IEEE knows how hard it would be to do.
Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.
err that applys to any company/organization in any country. You just can’t break a countries laws and hope to get away with it. If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.
Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.
err that applys to any company/organization in any country. You just can’t break a countries laws and hope to get away with it. If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.
What you are saying is that, because of the pervasiveness of US tech, all organizations having US a companies as members are at risk.
Time for the world to route around this single point of failure.
Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.
err that applys to any company/organization in any country. You just can’t break a countries laws and hope to get away with it. If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.
Firstly, which law would they have been breaking if they had not blocked Huawei, given the subsequent guidance they have been given?
And secondly, which universe do you inhabit? Companies and organisations break the law and get away with it in this one with monotonous regularity.
>Our initial, more restrictive approach was motivated solely by our desire to protect our volunteers and our members from legal risk In other words: They overreacted, possibly biased by those in charge.
That this affected the IEEE in this way is a matter of concern, for an international academic/professional organization. I'd say most of us want to do good work, in good faith, for all of humanity, and are happy to collaborate around the world.
Even when there are tensions and conflicts among nations, politicians, and businesses, the rest of us can keep doing our collaborative work. Also, our mutual engagement around the world promotes diplomacy and our better selves.
>Our initial, more restrictive approach was motivated solely by our desire to protect our volunteers and our members from legal risk In other words: They overreacted, possibly biased by those in charge.
I was guessing that IEEE lawyers and/or gov't officials temporarily advised IEEE to do what they did, and, later, gov't officials notified IEEE it was OK. That this affected the IEEE in this way is a matter of concern, for an international academic/professional organization. I'd say most of us want to do good work, in good faith, for all of humanity, and are happy to collaborate around the world. Even when there are…
I'm still amazed how many people fell for the 'concerns of espionage' pretext. I guess most wars in history have started will equally dumb pretexts.
Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.
err that applys to any company/organization in any country. You just can’t break a countries laws and hope to get away with it. If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.
Justifying this kind of unjust law is like saying Google should comply with Chinese censorship request to suppress dissent opinions in Sweden.
Even though the restrictions are lifted, the damage is already done. Now everyone knows that IEEE has to comply with US gov's demands, which can be made without any court ruling or due process.
err that applys to any company/organization in any country. You just can’t break a countries laws and hope to get away with it. If anything IEEE was too quick to move, but I am not their legal team.