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Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

#11

That's terrible and really puts indie developers at risk. One small change on Apple's side and your business might not survive. Hope Apple fixes it quickly!

What's clearly broken here is the sudden changeover. If things were working correctly, placement would change gradually, based on a shift in the marketplace. From the information in the post, it looks like Apple just decided, "Okay, your turn is over! Next!"

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#12
This is why I think every app should be sold in a subscription model. The current users of this app are very happy with it, and yet they will suffer when the developer can't make enough new sales. It's like a Ponzi scheme: everything falls down if you can't enroll enough new users. That's not sustainable.

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#13

I hope that Apple will soon give an explanation. I suspect your app is not the only one to take a hit.

Probably not, but it doesn't seem like OP has seen chatter online about it. If it truly was a bug, a lot more people would be pissed

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#14
I think he already has his answer- Apple doesn't guarantee search placement- though it is odd that he'd fall all the way off altogether.

If you're relying on Apple (or Google) to feature you in their search results, you're already at their whim with no recourse.

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#15

This is one of the primary ways that the culture's general knowledge is lagging behind technology. Our culture still thinks in terms of "notoriety," as was known in Julius Caesar's day. Andy Warhol was a bit more advanced. ("Everyone will have their 15 minutes of fame.") In 2019, the mental model should change to encompass algorithmic and viral discovery. In 2019, it's not just reputation which matters. It's not just…

Interesting thoughts. Not sure what the developer could have done differently, here? The App is published on Apple's Platform, and it's impossible for him to distribute outside the store. He has been working on it for years, been a good citizen of the App Store, and created something people seem to genuinely love and value.

Honestly, this is one of the reasons I hope the legal system does eventually require Apple to enable opt-in, third party app stores. We need to have SOME release valve from being at the mercy of Apple's whims.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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post #12

This is why I think every app should be sold in a subscription model. The current users of this app are very happy with it, and yet they will suffer when the developer can't make enough new sales. It's like a Ponzi scheme: everything falls down if you can't enroll enough new users. That's not sustainable.

Generally I agree, though this App does have a broad enough market that it could probably be sold as sustainably as a one-time upgrade for years without exhausting the potential, especially if it's a one man project.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

#17
post #14

I think he already has his answer- Apple doesn't guarantee search placement- though it is odd that he'd fall all the way off altogether. If you're relying on Apple (or Google) to feature you in their search results, you're already at their whim with no recourse.

That's a BS answer, and if it's the one Apple wants to give, then they should not be surprised when they 1) are seen by devs as a unattractive platform to build a business on 2) Get treated like a monopolist in courts.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

#18
post #12

This is why I think every app should be sold in a subscription model. The current users of this app are very happy with it, and yet they will suffer when the developer can't make enough new sales. It's like a Ponzi scheme: everything falls down if you can't enroll enough new users. That's not sustainable.

For apps you install on your own machine, I think the JetBrains perpetual license model is probably my favourite so far. After a certain period you can stop paying the subscription and keep using the old version. But if you want to keep up to date with features and bug fixes, you keep paying the subscription.

It just seems to align incentives on both sides quite well.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

#19
Take it from someone who’s worked with client apps making ten times as many downloads at similar price points: if you want to be successful in the app business you need to look beyond optimizing App Store search terms. You need to be marketing and promoting your application across multiple channels to a wider audience. It does not sound like this developer was doing that, so while it is sad he has had revenue slashed in half overnight he could have avoided this kind of big hit if he was reinvesting some portion of revenue back into promoting his application.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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post #18
post #12

This is why I think every app should be sold in a subscription model. The current users of this app are very happy with it, and yet they will suffer when the developer can't make enough new sales. It's like a Ponzi scheme: everything falls down if you can't enroll enough new users. That's not sustainable.

For apps you install on your own machine, I think the JetBrains perpetual license model is probably my favourite so far. After a certain period you can stop paying the subscription and keep using the old version. But if you want to keep up to date with features and bug fixes, you keep paying the subscription. It just seems to align incentives on both sides quite well.

I agree. I completely avoid any locally installed software that's subscription only (e.g., Adobe Photoshop CC) because in most cases, I don't need the continual updates. I'm perfectly fine using a single purchase for years and just buying the update when the OS upgrade triggers it.
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