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Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by sneak »

ducttape12 wrote: post #2

I haven't much looked into 5G. Considering that 95% of the time I'm on WiFi anyway, I really don't get this push for faster and faster mobile speeds. (especially if there's potential to damage wildlife and us with it)

It’s not for faster speeds for individual users. It’s for maintaining reasonable speeds for when everyone’s default mode of communication is real-time wireless 4k video streaming; that is to say, preserving the current level of service for early adopters as our usage patterns become mainstream (and thus consume 5-10x more bandwidth in aggregate).

Also, things load pretty slow right now.

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by sneak »

mac01021 wrote: post #9
ducttape12 wrote: post #2

I haven't much looked into 5G. Considering that 95% of the time I'm on WiFi anyway, I really don't get this push for faster and faster mobile speeds. (especially if there's potential to damage wildlife and us with it)

If it's going to harm wildlife, the technology should be forbidden, without qualification or exception. If not, I don't feel the need for faster speeds than what I get, but I would be very interested in getting more data per month at the same (or lower) monthly price. If a cellular provider could give me internet connectivity (LTE speeds) at a price of something like $1 per gigabyte I would drop my household's cable…

By that logic, we shouldn’t build cities or buildings. I am pretty sure most people do not agree with this position.

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Post by endorphone »

ducttape12 wrote: post #2

I haven't much looked into 5G. Considering that 95% of the time I'm on WiFi anyway, I really don't get this push for faster and faster mobile speeds. (especially if there's potential to damage wildlife and us with it)

Like you, I never feel needing more with a good LTE connection. It's faster than I've ever needed.

Having said that, the promise of 5G is that it brings such an enormous bandwidth from a frequency perspective that it literally could be a broadly distributed very high speed connection technology for fixed locations. Purportedly one of the reasons Google abandoned their fiber project was that ultra-high speed for huge numbers of users with 5G would make fixed infrastructure for the last mile redundant. We'll see.

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by jazzyjackson »

I wonder if a good way to illustrate or dispel the harmfulness of millimeter wave radio would be to compare the wattage/sq ft covered. How much energy is carried by these waves compared to 900Mhz or 2.4Ghz radio ?

Besides the 'boy who cried wolf' nature of radio causing cancer, I'd also like to know the power consumption for the extreme density required to relay gigabit+ connections across town, I think I heard the range between towers is something like 500 ft? There are, ostensibly, not lower power devices to be processing all these connections.

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by mac01021 »

endorphone wrote: post #8

Basically blog spam that cites an activist group that claims to have "published studies" that were published a year ago, having nothing to do with them. It is of course a concern that should be looked at, but we're currently in the "fear monger" stage with 5G. Those people who do the studies are the good people, but the people who take it and misrepresent it leverage fear of change/the new.

But isn't it a concern that should be thoroughly addressed before any government permits any use of the technology within its jurisdiction?

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by devoply »

endorphone wrote: post #8

Basically blog spam that cites an activist group that claims to have "published studies" that were published a year ago, having nothing to do with them. It is of course a concern that should be looked at, but we're currently in the "fear monger" stage with 5G. Those people who do the studies are the good people, but the people who take it and misrepresent it leverage fear of change/the new.

Though I can't say what you are saying is not true, in the case of electromagnetic issues I think it's the government which is not really doing it job because profit is more important. The NIH already showed that cancer can be caused by 2g and 3g in rats.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-exposure-...

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/416515-theres-a-clear...

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by devoply »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #15

I wonder if a good way to illustrate or dispel the harmfulness of millimeter wave radio would be to compare the wattage/sq ft covered. How much energy is carried by these waves compared to 900Mhz or 2.4Ghz radio ? Besides the 'boy who cried wolf' nature of radio causing cancer, I'd also like to know the power consumption for the extreme density required to relay gigabit+ connections across town, I think I heard the r…

Not boy who cried wolf, people just love their mobile internet and corporations and governments love their profit to care about the science: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-exposure-...

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by brunoTbear »

What I want to know is who is behind the 5G fear-mongering. I see this all the time and from different places. My poor conspiracy-minded elderly uncle in western Pennsylvania has been had by Fox News and the rest of the insane-right. He sends me stuff like this all the time. What I want to understand is who stands to benefit from 5G not coming to pass.

Is it a just one of many conspiracy theories cooked by a Kremlin agency that happened to work in the public sphere? Is there a competing technology stack?

Re: New Swiss studies claim 5G increases body temperature of insects

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Post by saagarjha »

devoply wrote: post #18
jazzyjackson wrote: post #15

I wonder if a good way to illustrate or dispel the harmfulness of millimeter wave radio would be to compare the wattage/sq ft covered. How much energy is carried by these waves compared to 900Mhz or 2.4Ghz radio ? Besides the 'boy who cried wolf' nature of radio causing cancer, I'd also like to know the power consumption for the extreme density required to relay gigabit+ connections across town, I think I heard the r…

Not boy who cried wolf, people just love their mobile internet and corporations and governments love their profit to care about the science: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-exposure-...

Somewhat important to point out, I think:

> “The exposures used in the studies cannot be compared directly to the exposure that humans experience when using a cell phone,” said John Bucher, Ph.D., NTP senior scientist. “In our studies, rats and mice received radio frequency radiation across their whole bodies. By contrast, people are mostly exposed in specific local tissues close to where they hold the phone. In addition, the exposure levels and durations in our studies were greater than what people experience.”

> The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users. This power level rarely occurs with typical cell phone use. The highest exposure level in the studies was four times higher than the maximum power level permitted.

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