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"Create a free account" Note one of the words there. I think I logged in like 5 years ago.
or "New Private Window" (Ctrl-alt-N)
And I'm pretty sure whatever is in there isn't worth the hoop jumping so it doesn't look like a great short term strategy either.
Ignoring sites that push this crap is effortless and very effective.
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Please don't discuss paywalls: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
Okay, then I encourage everyone to flag every single paywall article posted. They are off-topic, because you cannot read them. The FAQ rule is ridiculous.
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Please don't discuss paywalls: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
That rule also mentions that it's fine to post them as long as there is a workaround and intimates strongly that the workaround should be provided.
So, it seems when posting a paywalled article the poster should comment the workaround to stay within the spirit of the rules.
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Please don't discuss paywalls: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
Well if you're going to lawyer it, it's worth noting that it doesn't say what you claimed, it says "don't complain about paywalls". The parent didn't complain about paywalls, he complained about us posting articles that are hidden behind paywalls when the information is, presumably, available from open sources. That rule also mentions that it's fine to post them as long as there is a workaround and intimates strongly…
I'm not really lawyering about this. Hacker News doesn't really do paywall discussions, since they're off topic. I don't have a particular opinion on this issue but I do care about minimizing off-topic discussion, hence why I felt like I could remind Browun of the FAQ.
> So, it seems when posting a paywalled article the poster should comment the workaround to stay within the spirit of the rules.
Exactly: Hacker News encourages posting a workaround rather than discussing paywalls in general. If the workaround is of suitable quality/authority I think it generally replaces the link anyways.
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"Create a free account" Note one of the words there. I think I logged in like 5 years ago.
I'm not interested in handing out my email address to read an article, and I would expect most HN users feel the same way.
It’s a good habit never to give it out
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Please don't discuss paywalls: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
Well if you're going to lawyer it, it's worth noting that it doesn't say what you claimed, it says "don't complain about paywalls". The parent didn't complain about paywalls, he complained about us posting articles that are hidden behind paywalls when the information is, presumably, available from open sources. That rule also mentions that it's fine to post them as long as there is a workaround and intimates strongly…
Ultimately I believe that _the majority_ of stories that will be of interest to the HN community will either be:
1. niche posts from free sources
2. More wide spread news that will be covered by every major news site, some of which are "paywalled" sites
When the latter of these two happen, where a non-niche story is published, instead of users submitting a paywalled version of the article they could instead reference one that seems to not have this issue (like this forbes article https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2018/04/21/dont-worry-... ) that covers the same content or reference the original paper with it's given flaws.
I am aware that this is by no means a perfect solution, but simply suggesting that you can use work arounds for every instance is a cure for the issue, instead of a preventative measure that I believe would be more beneficial and one we should be taking as a community.
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Just to be clear, I'm not gunning for the OP of this article, but was simply my trigger for the topic. As I said before it is an interesting article.
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Well if you're going to lawyer it, it's worth noting that it doesn't say what you claimed, it says "don't complain about paywalls". The parent didn't complain about paywalls, he complained about us posting articles that are hidden behind paywalls when the information is, presumably, available from open sources. That rule also mentions that it's fine to post them as long as there is a workaround and intimates strongly…
Exactly, this was the point I was (trying) to get too. Ultimately I believe that _the majority_ of stories that will be of interest to the HN community will either be: 1. niche posts from free sources 2. More wide spread news that will be covered by every major news site, some of which are "paywalled" sites When the latter of these two happen, where a non-niche story is published, instead of users submitting a paywal…
People often do this when the site is known to have an impenetrable paywall, e.g., WSJ.
But the NYT's paywall is quite easy to bypass. It usually only appears if you've accessed more than the monthly limit's worth of articles, and after that you can just use a clean browser instance.
Bear in mind that the NYT is generally regarded as among the premier news sources in the world. (This is not to say that it's to my personal taste. It often isn't, but that's a separate issue.) But its articles, particularly those with an opiniative or analytical flavour, will often be preferred due to this brand perception that the NYT has built.
Where there is a better article on a topic, people can and do point to it here and encourage the moderators to update the URL.
But the HN community would never want a lower-quality article on a topic to be given preference due to it having no paywall. If that article is the best one on the topic, as long as the paywall can be bypassed, that is the article HN wants listed.
Alternative hypothsis: People who stay up late have a higher probability of going out, enjoy more occasional drinks, are more probable to smoking or take recreational drugs and have more sexual partners and generally enjoy more riskier lifestyle choices, all of which contributes to the statistics showing a shorter life expectation.