Ah, Macromedia ColdFusion brings back memories. I did enjoy how quick it was to learn and modify pages. As long as Adobe continues to update, maintain, and market Adobe ColdFusion (they seem to have a good track record), it'll never be a "dead" language. There are advantages to corporate dollars.
Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care
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#12I've been involved in CF since 1999. I'm the manager of the Houston CFUG (though we are transitioning to a very well known name in the CF world as the new manager), spoken at some CF confs, appeared on some podcasts talking about CF (even non-CF ones), and was a technical reviewer for a v5 title. However about 6 years ago I made the transition away from CF to Rails (not for jobs - in my role I pick the technology sta…
>Also the support from Adobe has waned substantially over the years. As a user group manager I saw this in person.
Is Adobe Experience Manager eating Coldfusion's lunch that you could tell?
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#13Is there something we can do to the title to distinguish the Coldfusion language with nuclear cold fusion? The title seems applicable to both and even the first paragraph could be misleading if you assumed the latter.
Isn't it obvious from the context in this case? (Why would nuclear cold fusion be unpopular?) Admittedly younger devs may never have heard of the language. I have never seen examples of it in the wild, but I remember one of my university lectures talking about how good it was for a balance of usability and scale-ability - back in 2000.
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#14> "Whilst y'all dimwits call us unpopular, we're busy running the world - from health and banking to government and Telco companies. Adobe's Evangelism Kit points out that Coldfusion is utilized by over 70% of the Fortune 100."
this is unprofessional and doesn't help drive your point. You're arguing that "dimwits" perceive popularity as a good measurement of the value of a language, and then you point to the language's owner's own bluster about how popular it is in the industry.
I'd like to present an honest inquiry: who's life is made better by this article? The "dimwits"? Coldfusion devs? My guess is neither.
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#15>And, more important… does it matter? If author wants to continue using CF for his own reasons, that's fine but it's still worth knowing why others care about popularity : 1) job prospects - e.g. knowing Javascript will have more relevance in job hunting than knowing Microsoft's VBScript that was used in Internet Explorer 8. 2) large community that has seen similar problems and can provide answers to copy&paste code…
OTOH, all reasons are cons... an expert in an esoteric system with none of those will be paid her weight in gold by the fewer employers in need of a very finite resource... while js programmers are a dime a dozen.
Re: Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care
#16I've been involved in CF since 1999. I'm the manager of the Houston CFUG (though we are transitioning to a very well known name in the CF world as the new manager), spoken at some CF confs, appeared on some podcasts talking about CF (even non-CF ones), and was a technical reviewer for a v5 title. However about 6 years ago I made the transition away from CF to Rails (not for jobs - in my role I pick the technology sta…
>Also the support from Adobe has waned substantially over the years. As a user group manager I saw this in person. Is Adobe Experience Manager eating Coldfusion's lunch that you could tell?
Not really, but it’s probably eating CF’s marketing budget - Adobe really puts their energies into the enterprise products. One year at the Internet Retailer show (my company exhibits) I stopped by the Adobe booth and introduced myself as a CFUG manager. They didn’t even know CF was an Adobe product.
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#17The google trend curve linked reminds me of the same graph for linux: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=l...
Linux is NOT dying, quite the opposite, but I guess since 2004 more and more non-technical people have come online who have nothing to do with linux.
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#18>And, more important… does it matter? If author wants to continue using CF for his own reasons, that's fine but it's still worth knowing why others care about popularity : 1) job prospects - e.g. knowing Javascript will have more relevance in job hunting than knowing Microsoft's VBScript that was used in Internet Explorer 8. 2) large community that has seen similar problems and can provide answers to copy&paste code…
OTOH, all reasons are cons... an expert in an esoteric system with none of those will be paid her weight in gold by the fewer employers in need of a very finite resource... while js programmers are a dime a dozen.
I definitely see better rates for CF contracting. I’m sure the same is true of FORTRAN.
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#19The problem with Coldfusion isn't with it's popularity, usefulness or value. It's with Adobe and the cost of licensing. The only reason right now someone would choose Coldfusion over literally anything else free is their existing skill. That's the very definition of dying out. The other problem with Coldfusion is the community that all seem to have this same chip on their shoulder.
To be fair, there is an open source implementation. (We’ve run Railo/Lucee for years on our old CFML code)
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#20> "Whilst y'all dimwits call us unpopular, we're busy running the world - from health and banking to government and Telco companies. Adobe's Evangelism Kit points out that Coldfusion is utilized by over 70% of the Fortune 100." this is unprofessional and doesn't help drive your point. You're arguing that "dimwits" perceive popularity as a good measurement of the value of a language, and then you point to the language…
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