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Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference
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#12How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.
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#13I'm surprised to hear a conference organizer say this, because I think it's an unrealistic goal.
There's a difference between people feeling as if their safety is being directly threatened by someone at a conference and someone feeling uncomfortable with a speaker because of, for instance, some of their personal views that they strongly disagree with.
(Edit: In the original version of OP's blog post, it did not say why people were uncomfortable with the speaker. It said, "My team and I were contacted by different people to warn us that they were uncomfortable with the participation of a speaker and her partner in our conference. They told the organization of the conference that we would have problems with the speaker and his partner. his communication took us by surprise since we had performed a basic background check on the chosen speakers to avoid these kinds of issues." The blog post was later updated to clarify, "They told the organization of the conference that this couple had caused problems to women in the community," which is still pretty vague.)
Obviously, conference organizers should be taking attendees' safety seriously and making sure they're not being subjected to harassment or unjust discrimination.
But if you take a "comfort is priority #1" mindset, it gives a lot of ammunition to people who dislike a speaker's political views or choices they might make in their personal life.
HN has had a bunch of previous threads about how welcoming conferences should be to speakers who hold unorthodox or unpopular opinions -- stuff that potential attendees might object to.
I think the general consensus has been:
If there is real evidence (e.g. past conduct at similar events) that they are likely to engage in conduct that directly threatens the safety of other attendees or otherwise violate the conference's code of conduct, it's a no-brainer. Disinvite.
If they hold unorthodox, potentially objectionable opinions, but there's no evidence that they're going to violate the code of conduct, and the issue is that people merely feel uncomfortable being around someone who holds such views (or they feel as if the conference is implicitly endorsing such views by having the person as a speaker) then you take one of several paths:
If the opinion is unquestionably beyond the pale, like something that 9 out of 10 attendees would say, "Yeah, that's truly awful," then it's a pretty easy decision. Disinvite.
If the opinion is about an issue that is merely controversial -- meaning that in mainstream society, there is a wide range of opinions (e.g. any strong opinion about abortion or guns) -- then you have to do some weighing of principles vs. practical considerations. If maintaining the person as a speaker is going to tank your conference, then even if you don't support disinviting them as a matter of principle, you might decide it's necessary on a practical level. But if it's not going to tank your conference, then you might be able to lean more heavily on principles.
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#14How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.
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#15How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.
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#16First, you kicked out a female speaker because some people contacted you saying that they weren't 'comfortable with her and her partner. What the partner has to do in all of this? I think she was right in taking it badly, don't you think?
Second, you saw her in another conference just a day after that. How is that possible? that cannot be a coincidence. Do you realize that if she finds you in another conference, you would look like a stalker to her. What she was doing in this conference? What were you doing? you don't specify that.
Third, and most important. Who were those persons that contacted you at first? are they trustworthy? are they anonymous persons? because this smells too much like a smear campaign by a bunch of women and you are being played like a pawn.
EDIT: Fourth: you seem to imply that you are being attacked by someone with knowledge of the Signal messenger. Do you really think that someone would use an attack like that on you? those attacks are very valuable. Sorry but it all points to you being very paranoid.
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#17How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.
It seems like a lot (but not all) of the grief and drama the guy encountered could have been avoided by simply staying off of Twitter. Wouldn’t have stopped the crazed texts and other messages, but at the end of the day it’s also all just “words on the Internet” and I don’t see much real world harm here. EDIT: Wow, all this for just suggesting to not worry so much about what people write on Twitter. Sorry if I offend…
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#18How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.
It seems like a lot (but not all) of the grief and drama the guy encountered could have been avoided by simply staying off of Twitter. Wouldn’t have stopped the crazed texts and other messages, but at the end of the day it’s also all just “words on the Internet” and I don’t see much real world harm here. EDIT: Wow, all this for just suggesting to not worry so much about what people write on Twitter. Sorry if I offend…
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#20> There is no way of making a technical conference if some people feel insecure or uncomfortable. I'm surprised to hear a conference organizer say this, because I think it's an unrealistic goal. There's a difference between people feeling as if their safety is being directly threatened by someone at a conference and someone feeling uncomfortable with a speaker because of, for instance, some of their personal views th…
Personally I know of someones who behaved a bit like was described in the article. I would not be comfortable being around them either, even though I was never a target of their wrath.*
*For the record I've no idea who the people in the article are and I'm 100% sure the people I'm thinking of are not them.