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Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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Free, not open source version. Obviously a reaction to Amazon's fork- not wanting to give them any code to pull into their version. It will be interesting to see if this is enough to retain the majority of the userbase or if we'll still see a majority migrate to the 'Open Distro' fork.

The features of the open distro are not enough to compare to the Elastic offerings. I think most are smart enough to see through Amazon's "generosity" and know that they (Amazon) are not a bastion of OSS.

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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Interesting. Three hours ago someone in our Ops team shared a link to "Open Distro for Elasticsearch" [1] and it's also featured on the AWS console login page. Is this a very rushed reaction to it? Or is this related? I would really love to have a clarification of what's happening in that space. [1] https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/

How were you able to miss all the drama about AWS and ElasticSearch / Mongo / Nginx here on HN?

It turned out that with the open core and premium-service models, the original company might not be the only one providing paid services or development. Which was a bit of a surprise to those original devs.

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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post #2

Free, not open source version. Obviously a reaction to Amazon's fork- not wanting to give them any code to pull into their version. It will be interesting to see if this is enough to retain the majority of the userbase or if we'll still see a majority migrate to the 'Open Distro' fork.

Also note that you'll want to go to the features page and hit the disclosure triangle on the 'Security' feature. This is very much a subset of their security features- no IP filtering, AD/LDAP integration, SAML or many other security oriented features.

https://www.elastic.co/subscriptions

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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Interesting. Three hours ago someone in our Ops team shared a link to "Open Distro for Elasticsearch" [1] and it's also featured on the AWS console login page. Is this a very rushed reaction to it? Or is this related? I would really love to have a clarification of what's happening in that space. [1] https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/

see https://grafana.com/blog/2019/03/28/everything-you-need-to-k... and the first part of the story it links to.

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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post #2

Free, not open source version. Obviously a reaction to Amazon's fork- not wanting to give them any code to pull into their version. It will be interesting to see if this is enough to retain the majority of the userbase or if we'll still see a majority migrate to the 'Open Distro' fork.

To be fair, the Docker Hub stats for the Open Distro for ES image don't show a very large shift away the Elastic ES image. And I doubt Amazon really cares about that, either. This is about whether their hosted ES service remains competitive with Elastic's hosted ES service.

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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Too little too late? Trying to charge for TLS was a very poor move and it's made me not trust ElasticSearch...

I can understand they need to make money, but still a bit shady. Honestly though it's not something critical for my needs. Now if they could lower the resource hogging a bit, that would interest me... Maybe even pay for that.

I use ELK for Kubernetes and network device logs, and I'm very much with you -- full text search is great, but it sure can be slow, even when running on $1000/month of AWS hardware.

The conclusion that I've reached is that the whole lucene model for logs is kind of outdated. Why am I tuning Java GC params to run "grep foo /logs". I think computers today can do fine with sharded flat files, a minimal index ("which node contains logs from pod foo-2387438-2384738 at 12:34AM"), and then just scale horizontally over (log messages, searches).

I hope my friends over at Tailscale are doing that and I can just move off ES entirely ;)

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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Too little too late? Trying to charge for TLS was a very poor move and it's made me not trust ElasticSearch...

Why don’t you want to pay for a feature that you need? The company that pays your wages makes money from selling something. Of course you sell what people need

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

#18

Too little too late? Trying to charge for TLS was a very poor move and it's made me not trust ElasticSearch...

Why don’t you want to pay for a feature that you need? The company that pays your wages makes money from selling something. Of course you sell what people need

> The company that pays your wages makes money from selling something.

They could be using Elasticsearch for a side project. IMO, open source projects should not be unsecured.

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

#19

Too little too late? Trying to charge for TLS was a very poor move and it's made me not trust ElasticSearch...

Why don’t you want to pay for a feature that you need? The company that pays your wages makes money from selling something. Of course you sell what people need

The last time i talked to Elasticsearch about pricing, it was so extremely expensive for our use case to the point of it basically being a non valid option for us.

Re: Security for Elasticsearch is now free

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post #15
post #2

Free, not open source version. Obviously a reaction to Amazon's fork- not wanting to give them any code to pull into their version. It will be interesting to see if this is enough to retain the majority of the userbase or if we'll still see a majority migrate to the 'Open Distro' fork.

To be fair, the Docker Hub stats for the Open Distro for ES image don't show a very large shift away the Elastic ES image. And I doubt Amazon really cares about that, either. This is about whether their hosted ES service remains competitive with Elastic's hosted ES service.

Totally agree. Amazon had to do something after Elastic changed their license terms specifically to stop Amazon from competing with their own hosted service.

I'm interested to see what Elastics next move will be.

grabs popcorn

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