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Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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> Uber and Lyft have long said their services may relieve urban congestion by facilitating access to public transit

This was always questionable for a place like SF or any high density city.

Few people take a ride share to get to a bus or a MUNI light rail stop in SF. If you are paying for the Uber/Lyft, why would you pay again for a bus ticket, especially given the inconvenience of then waiting for the bus. You'll just stay in the car to your destination, after all San Francisco isn't that big.

The exception is perhaps people in SF getting to BART to go to a suburb, but that's not a very significant use case.

Edit: removed potty language, and superlatives.

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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post #11

> Uber and Lyft have long said their services may relieve urban congestion by facilitating access to public transit This was always questionable for a place like SF or any high density city. Few people take a ride share to get to a bus or a MUNI light rail stop in SF. If you are paying for the Uber/Lyft, why would you pay again for a bus ticket, especially given the inconvenience of then waiting for the bus. You'll j…

I use it this way all the time. Bart into the city from a suburb and then if it's not in walking distance and there's no convenient bus, I take a Lyft to my destination.

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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Link to the study exactly. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/5/eaau2670 Having just read the study the results make sense. The authors look at car ownership reduction. They find that Uber and Lyft are not actually helping with that. We do not observe a meaningful change in car ownership, with an average of 1.08 cars per household in 2010 and 1.10 cars per household in 2016 (36).

This is because as people move towards dense urban centers they are now sometimes electing to use Uber and Lyft instead of transit. The thing is because parking and driving is so expensive as is living in a dense prolific city, you probably wouldn't have wanted a car anyway.

The findings clearly show Uber and Lyft create traffic. The speed data used in this study confirm this trend, showing that the average speed decreases from 25.6 miles per hour (mph) in 2010 to 22.2 mph in 2016 and that the vehicle hours of delay (VHD) increase by 63% over the same period.

In addition to the 20% of TNC VMT that is out-of-service, 70% of San Francisco TNC drivers live outside the city

It makes sense that Uber and Lyft actually worsen traffic. They bring cars and congestion into the city and create public transit competitors.

I have the one for NYC here also http://www.schallerconsult.com/rideservices/unsustainable.pd...

The question is what is the best response to help the environment? It seems that supporting Uber and Lyft is contrary to sustainable objectives. Is that partially why many cities and countries do not want them to operate in their jurisdiction?

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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It's not just the number of cars causing issues; the number of roads with ad hoc lane closures due to ride sharing pick-ups and dropoffs makes a huge difference. Many three lane streets get choked down to one lane if a delivery truck blocks a right lane and a ride share blocks the left. It's very visible every rush hour in SF.

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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Link to the study exactly. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/5/eaau2670 Having just read the study the results make sense. The authors look at car ownership reduction. They find that Uber and Lyft are not actually helping with that. We do not observe a meaningful change in car ownership, with an average of 1.08 cars per household in 2010 and 1.10 cars per household in 2016 (36). This is because as people move…

The Science Advances paper is here:

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/5/eaau2670

The corresponding author told me it was the basis for an earlier report issued by the SFCTA:

https://www.sfcta.org/projects/tncs-and-congestion

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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Obviously. They are making it worse by exactly the number of trips that would otherwise have been done by transit, bike, walking or not at all. edit: or now scooters

Also every driver I meet in SF has driven from somewhere else to "work" in the city.

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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I remember when Uber was “supposed” to be a ride sharing service where you could make extra money along your intended destination. It wasn’t touted as a taxi service.

I remember before that, when it was touted as the more convenient and cheaper alternative to black car service (which was already cheaper than taxis for airport runs!).

Re: Do transportation network companies decrease or increase congestion?

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Link to the study exactly. https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/5/eaau2670 Having just read the study the results make sense. The authors look at car ownership reduction. They find that Uber and Lyft are not actually helping with that. We do not observe a meaningful change in car ownership, with an average of 1.08 cars per household in 2010 and 1.10 cars per household in 2016 (36). This is because as people move…

>The question is what is the best response to help the environment?

invest in public transit that can transport people in a denser fashion instead of relying on cars. The fundamental limitation of the car is the low amount of passengers / area it can transport.

http://i.imgur.com/G7cAK4Y.gif

>Is that partially why many cities and countries do not want them to operate in their jurisdiction?

Among other things, yes. But arguably the bigger issue is their inability to comply with regulations, in particular their skewed relationship to nominally indepdenent drivers gives them an advantage over companies who have more obligations towards both customers and workers. This isn't unique to Uber but applies to other "sharing economy" companies like Airbnb

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