Are they really naming it after the MP3 tag format?
VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
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#12Christ they couldn't come up with a better image than that?? Is that really what the thing looks like?
For some reason, automakers seem to like to cover their under-development vehicles in garish camouflage. Like this one from 2016: https://electrek.co/2016/07/27/daimler-etruck-first-all-elec...
Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#13I've seen a few e-golf's charging on the streets in the past few weeks in Berlin. I assume these are pre-production models. Looks like a normal Golf aside from the charging port. From my understanding, this is a big step for VW. However, short term, they will likely have range and production capacity issues, just like Tesla did not exactly hit the ground running. I would not be surprised if this is merely a stop gap…
e-Golf is not the ID.3. The e-Golf is available for purchase in multiple markets and has a max range of 125mi.
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#14Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…
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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#15I've seen a few e-golf's charging on the streets in the past few weeks in Berlin. I assume these are pre-production models. Looks like a normal Golf aside from the charging port. From my understanding, this is a big step for VW. However, short term, they will likely have range and production capacity issues, just like Tesla did not exactly hit the ground running. I would not be surprised if this is merely a stop gap…
> Tesla could really make VW hurt by ramping up production and dropping price
I don't think that's realistic.
>@elonmusk
>Looks like we can reach 20,000 Model 3 cars per month in Dec
>11:12 PM - 2 Jul 2017
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/881757617416056832
The reality:
Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#16Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…
The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…
Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car
#17I've seen a few e-golf's charging on the streets in the past few weeks in Berlin. I assume these are pre-production models. Looks like a normal Golf aside from the charging port. From my understanding, this is a big step for VW. However, short term, they will likely have range and production capacity issues, just like Tesla did not exactly hit the ground running. I would not be surprised if this is merely a stop gap…
e-Golf is not the ID.3. The e-Golf is available for purchase in multiple markets and has a max range of 125mi.
And it has been in production for years. I think they sold only 1400 of them in 2018.
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#19I'm completely clueless about electric engines so I was wondering if, besides range, there are other attributes one should look for in an electric car like HP and that kind of stuff? In other words, are all electric motors so similar that range is the only differentiator?
Good question, and the answer is a resounding "consider more attributes".
You should take into consideration the (sustained) top speed, and acceleration (for electrics, that tends to range from great to decent for 0...60, but fall off rather quickly beyond that). Those two are limited by on-board power electronics, by battery & engine cooling capacity (which is the main limiting factor in all electrics I've seen so far), and by the motor power rating.
Unlike the typical ICEs, for a short while you can over-load electric motors by quite a bit beyond the continuous rated power - say, for quick & safe over-taking - but the sustained top speed of electric vehicles isn't all that great.
The other important factors are: how quickly you can re-charge the vehicle, and how long will the battery pack last (or conversely, how quickly will it degrade), including the manufaturer's warranty, if any.
As the electric motors are also used for regenerative braking, the efficiency of energy recovery is a moderately important consideration, especially for start-stop city style traffic. Sadly I haven't yet seen that information published for any car.
Charging plug compatibility and charging station availability - for fastest charging you want to be able to use the car's native standard.
Lastly, as with any car, safety ratings (battery pack protection is a big item here) and towing capacity.
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#20Christ they couldn't come up with a better image than that?? Is that really what the thing looks like?
For some reason, automakers seem to like to cover their under-development vehicles in garish camouflage. Like this one from 2016: https://electrek.co/2016/07/27/daimler-etruck-first-all-elec...
Isn't the reason obvious? They don't want to give you a good look at the car just yet, and would much rather make your eyes bleed till proper PR shots are done and dusted.
Plus it looks cool as, when you spot the most jarring car on the road!