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Botanical Sexism Cultivates Home-Grown Allergies

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This is such an interesting insight into how urban planning decisions can affect health. What are the chances that airborne allergens increase rates of food allergies?

As I understand it, very small.

Most allergens are denatured by acid and enzymes in the stomach. Many food allergies, which typically are not the same kind of immunological reaction as seasonal allergies/allergic rhinitis, are caused more by the failure of epidermal barriers or acid attack than by mere exposure. don't become sensitized because you ate something so much as because your body allowed bits to get somewhere they are not allowed to be under any circumstances, which is why the outsized anaphylactic reaction food allergies often cause.

(...typically. In some cases it is cross reaction, where an antigen in food is too similar to some other antigen the body has previously identified as an invader. See for example the temporary meat allergy that can be caused by some Lone Star tick bites. And there are yet other causes of course...)

Seasonal allergies are usually mild because they are generally localized, peripheral, and provoked in tissues that are designed to give this response as a normal protective action.

(That is, your nose is correct to run or stuff in response to histamine release caused by pollen. Frankly, I feel some foreboding about what sequelae we will eventually discover to be caused by chronic H2 antagonist administration over decades, drugs like Claritin/Zyrtec that people are taking every day of their lives.)

So! While it is possible and some rare cross reactions have been observed (particularly in fruiting trees/eating fruits), as a general rule your seasonal allergies do not increase your food allergy risk.

Now, some people are at higher risk for both due to environmental or genetic circumstances. But there it is a prior immune dysfunction that caused both rather than one causing the other-- though it's an understandable intuition to connect them as your question does. Having one or the other makes it more likely you have both, but it one doesn't cause the other.

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The only reason why we don't plant tons of edible fruit trees in city parks is because they would make a huge mess and attract rodents. But now that we're going to have self-driving robots that can clean up after the trees by the time they're old enough to produce fruit, there really isn't any reason why our park trees shouldn't be producing food for us.

The local parks I where I lived in Germany had apple and plum trees. In spite of the fact that all the fruit came in a short time in autumn, I never saw a fully ripe fruit on the trees, let alone a rotten one fall.

Between people and birds, there was nothing left for the rats.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that isn't clear is how effective female trees are at removing pollen from the air. Is it possible that even with a much higher population but a more balanced sex ratio, there would still be a lower airborne pollen count?

Yes, that's the core premise made by the author: If we're going to plant male plants, either we plant female plants (which have evolved to take up the maximum amount of pollen possible) or our lungs take up the pollen (which results in biological issues). There's an inflection point where the amount of pollen left in the air by a sparse male forest equals the amount of pollen left in the air by a dense balanced-ratio…

I wonder how good trees really are at attracting pollen. Intuitively it sounds like the forces should be small and the effect should be pretty marginal.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's the core premise made by the author: If we're going to plant male plants, either we plant female plants (which have evolved to take up the maximum amount of pollen possible) or our lungs take up the pollen (which results in biological issues). There's an inflection point where the amount of pollen left in the air by a sparse male forest equals the amount of pollen left in the air by a dense balanced-ratio…

I wonder how good trees really are at attracting pollen. Intuitively it sounds like the forces should be small and the effect should be pretty marginal.

Trees are 0.3 billion years old, so presumably they are not just good at it, but best at it.

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post #7

The only reason why we don't plant tons of edible fruit trees in city parks is because they would make a huge mess and attract rodents. But now that we're going to have self-driving robots that can clean up after the trees by the time they're old enough to produce fruit, there really isn't any reason why our park trees shouldn't be producing food for us.

> ...there really isn't any reason why our park trees shouldn't be producing food for us.

The article does address that notion -- trees are really good at capturing pollution, and a good amount of that pollution ends up in their fruit. Which sucks. I grew up foraging urban food, and I'll still pick and eat berries and stonefruits because they're too delicious to pass up, but it seems irresponsible for governments to promote such a thing.

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#16

This is such an interesting insight into how urban planning decisions can affect health. What are the chances that airborne allergens increase rates of food allergies?

As I understand it, very small. Most allergens are denatured by acid and enzymes in the stomach. Many food allergies, which typically are not the same kind of immunological reaction as seasonal allergies/allergic rhinitis, are caused more by the failure of epidermal barriers or acid attack than by mere exposure. don't become sensitized because you ate something so much as because your body allowed bits to get somewhe…

>So! While it is possible and some rare cross reactions have been observed (particularly in fruiting trees/eating fruits), as a general rule your seasonal allergies do not increase your food allergy risk.

If you're talking about oral allergy syndrome, it isn't really what I'd call rare.

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post #15
post #7

The only reason why we don't plant tons of edible fruit trees in city parks is because they would make a huge mess and attract rodents. But now that we're going to have self-driving robots that can clean up after the trees by the time they're old enough to produce fruit, there really isn't any reason why our park trees shouldn't be producing food for us.

> ...there really isn't any reason why our park trees shouldn't be producing food for us. The article does address that notion -- trees are really good at capturing pollution, and a good amount of that pollution ends up in their fruit. Which sucks. I grew up foraging urban food, and I'll still pick and eat berries and stonefruits because they're too delicious to pass up, but it seems irresponsible for governments to…

> The article does address that notion -- trees are really good at capturing pollution, and a good amount of that pollution ends up in their fruit.

Right, you wouldn't be able to do this with street trees for that reason, but park trees are fine. The soil just needs to be tested on a regular basis for heavy metals, but that isn't especially difficult; e.g. this has already been done for a lot of community gardens in NYC. While fruit definitely contains whatever pollution is in the environment, unlike many mushrooms it generally doesn't hyper concentrate it.

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If by "batonical sexism" we mean the choice to use male trees instead of female trees because it'd be a burden to clean up parts of the female tree that drop to the ground seasonally. It's a straightforward tradeoff: use male trees that produce pollen (and make it worse for allergies) or use female trees that have to get cleaned up (or plant both, and deal with both problems).

As the article notes, planting both actually reduces one of the problems: pollen. Female plants attract and capture pollen. So you will slightly increase litter while moderately reducing pollen. Additionally, as the article also notes, all allergens are not created equal. Pollen is mostly notable insofar as it is allergenic; planting trees with low or nor allergenic pollen uncouples "pollen" and "pollen that causes a…

> So you will slightly increase litter while moderately reducing pollen.

I don't see any indication that the increase in litter would at all be of greater proportion than the decrease in pollen. Only that bit of pollen that gets blown to a neighboring female tree would get absorbed. Not even all of that, since presumably the majority would get blown off the tree. I can't see how any more than a single digit percent of the pollen would be captured, so people with allergies would still be affected.

The increase in litter would be significant if half the trees were female. On my college campus there were parts of the year where certain types of trees would drop seed pods and it littered the streets for the better part of a week. It'd take a significant amount of manpower to clean it up - probably a garbage-bag per tree - so we just left it outside and dealt with vegetation litter for a couple weeks.

Unless the article backs up the claim that the pollen reduction would be substantial and the increase in litter trivial it could still very well be that a mix of female and male plants does not prevent allergic reactions to such a degree that it's worth using a mix of plants.

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You ever see one of those titles where individually you know all the words, but don't know what they mean together?

Yeah, the title definitely blows about four or five political circuit breakers in the anti-flame war power bus of HN's moderation module. Talk about false positives.

It's like someone out there trying to monkey wrench a neural net with adversarial images, except the neural net is us. It's a picture of a tractor and a rabbit in a farm field, but with some carefully selected noise we find it to be quite the stop sign.

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