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We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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No worries. There's always that probationary period in which either party can recognise it's not a match and either do something about it, or just give it up. How long will it take you to decide? A week? Two weeks? A month?

It's not a "no worries" situation if you just left one job for another only to find out the culture isn't a good fit.

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for extreme outliers it is not clear that it's possible to tell with much confidence in either case. Why do you think it's possible to have such high confidence in one case but not the other?

Because if you can't FizzBuzz, you definitely aren't going to be able to pick up the codebase in a satisfactorily short amount of time. If you come in in gross clothes and swear, you're not going to fit the company culture. If you're rude to your interviewer, you're not likely to be less rude to your other coworkers. etc.

I agree about FizzBuzz.

But how often do interviewees showing up with gross clothes, swear, or be rude to interviewer?

I'd say almost 0?

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

#13

No worries. There's always that probationary period in which either party can recognise it's not a match and either do something about it, or just give it up. How long will it take you to decide? A week? Two weeks? A month?

For most companies it's the first 90 days.

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

#14

No worries. There's always that probationary period in which either party can recognise it's not a match and either do something about it, or just give it up. How long will it take you to decide? A week? Two weeks? A month?

It's not a "no worries" situation if you just left one job for another only to find out the culture isn't a good fit.

Particularly if you relocated.

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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Obviously interviewing isn't 100% accurate. Almost nothing is. You definitely can't tell in 60 minutes whether someone will be a success at your company. But you often can tell, with very very nearly 100% confidence if someone will not be a success. And that is the purpose of the interview. To filter out the "definitely not"s — the programmers who can't write fizzbuzz. And yes, I have seen plenty of these. And interv…

And yet the discussions on the candidate post-hiring interviews mostly revolves around whether they confirm to the company/tech/what-have-you 'culture' which, imo, is simply a euphemism for ageism, in-group bias, prejudice, hubris, and one-upmanship more often than not. The world would be a better place if people started accepting the fact for what it is: There wouldn't be so much despair around the tech interview pr…

> company/tech/what-have-you 'culture' which, imo, is simply a euphemism for ageism, in-group bias, prejudice, hubris, and one-upmanship more often than not.

In my experience working with a couple of wildly different companies who prided themselves on "culture", it's largely just "don't be a dick".

It's still important though.

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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post #3

It's better to let good/great people slip away then to get a bad apple onto the team. Or worse, a mediocre one who never does anything wrong but also isn't contributing positively either.

I just read someone talk about job post on linkedin with over a thousand applications. Are people on linked in truly mediocre that not one out of a thousand can fill the position?

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

#18

No worries. There's always that probationary period in which either party can recognise it's not a match and either do something about it, or just give it up. How long will it take you to decide? A week? Two weeks? A month?

It's not a "no worries" situation if you just left one job for another only to find out the culture isn't a good fit.

That only matters if you think it's possible for the people doing the hiring to be fallible, which...is not a given in this industry.

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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Obviously interviewing isn't 100% accurate. Almost nothing is. You definitely can't tell in 60 minutes whether someone will be a success at your company. But you often can tell, with very very nearly 100% confidence if someone will not be a success. And that is the purpose of the interview. To filter out the "definitely not"s — the programmers who can't write fizzbuzz. And yes, I have seen plenty of these. And interv…

How would you know if you failed in identifying someone as not being able? You wouldn't hire them so you wouldn't know when you were wrong

Re: We can't judge another programmer's abilities in a 60 minute interview

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post #3

It's better to let good/great people slip away then to get a bad apple onto the team. Or worse, a mediocre one who never does anything wrong but also isn't contributing positively either.

Hyperbolic much? How can being "mediocre" be something bad? That's litterary litterary an ordinary programmer.

"Mediocre" is virtually always considered "poor" in the USA, even though the literal definition is "middling or average." Anyone would consider going to an average restaurant, but we'd avoid one someone described as mediocre.
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